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    Quote Originally Posted by randyg45 View Post
    I definately am a prospect for the beak model. If it is windy/stormy enough to need to block off the end, I want the aerodynamic properties of the beak rather than the flat panel.
    At the risk of heresy (i.e. discussing ground-dwelling applications), a MacCat with fully zippered beaks on each end would make an unbelievably versatile shelter. One could enter/exit at the lee side or end whatever the wind was doing, raise one side (or the corner of one side) for a Baker-type tent, etc etc.
    GREAT idea imo.
    Timetable yet?
    Just to clarify....we are NOT offering the Beaks, removable or sewn on, with zippers, just overlapping panels. The zippers on my tarp were a prototype. They have held up for the couple of winters in use but a better long term answer is the overlapping panels. Overlapping panels will provide various tarp possibilities, not to mention fiddling with a zipper when your hands are cold is a PITA.
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    How are the beaks attached to the tarp?

    Grizz had his beaks fit over the top and staked down on the sides.

    The "prototype" in the pic looks to be sewn or fastened directly to the tarp edge.

    I assume your beaks would follow the Grizz method??

    Also, why do you have to choose between overlap and vestibule?

    If the beaks are sized right, it seems you could set-up either way depending on the conditions or your mood at the time.

    Couldn't a vestibule model be set-up overlapping??
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    Just to share a thought...
    I haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but I'm quite convinced (in my mind at least<G>) that this option will be strong & do it's job well.
    It's simple, lite weight, adjustable with tarp angle changes, & removable.

    On a tarp with a folded & sewn ridgeline, add a grosgrain loop aprox 8" in from each end, were the ridge line loops are.
    These loops will point toward the end, just like the ridgeline loops.

    The beaks would be two parts for each end. They would both connect (either by ties or mini biners) to the loop 8" from the end of the ridgeline, and to the corner tie outs of the tarp.

    It may help to make the beak sections slight "cat cut", at least on the edge that overlays the tarp end.

    Small loops of a slightly larger shock cord would keep it taught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Questions View Post
    Doors and beaks are coming!!!

    ZQ and I will be constructing a prototype for Grizz to bless with the goal of having them available early next year.

    We will also be working on patterns for offering sewn-on doors with overlapping flaps for OES MacCat Deluxe's and Ultra's. Lot's to do but we're excited about the projects. Stay tuned.
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    Today was our 29th wedding aniversary so guess what ZQ and I did ??? We went out for lunch with our girls and spent the afternoon working on the "Grizz Beak" removable beak concept. It was a great day for an outside project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    How are the beaks attached to the tarp?

    Grizz had his beaks fit over the top and staked down on the sides.

    The "prototype" in the pic looks to be sewn or fastened directly to the tarp edge.

    I assume your beaks would follow the Grizz method??

    Also, why do you have to choose between overlap and vestibule?

    If the beaks are sized right, it seems you could set-up either way depending on the conditions or your mood at the time.

    Couldn't a vestibule model be set-up overlapping??

    TeeDee,
    The picture I put up was an old prototype using zippers in which the panels were sewn on. The sewn on doors will look like the ones you see in the picture but without zippers in lieu of overlapping panels.

    The Grizz beak is as you say attached to the tarp ridgeline D ring and staked out at the bottom "behind" the tarp side stake outs.

    The vestibule model has a lot more material so that a moderate tarp pitch will have sufficient overlap yet create a vestibule.

    The flat model with the same tarp pitch overlaps sufficiently yet does not create a vestibule and uses less material.

    To answer your question...they are both overlapping.
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    Doors on both ends of my MacCat Deluxe for me. If I wanted the vestibule, could I get it permanently attached?

    Beak/Door combo on the rectangular tarp, though.

    Is there a waiting list yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminated View Post
    Doors on both ends of my MacCat Deluxe for me. If I wanted the vestibule, could I get it permanently attached?

    Beak/Door combo on the rectangular tarp, though.

    Is there a waiting list yet?
    I am creating a list.

    We will most likely offer two models of removable Grizz beaks, a straight across overlap panel beak, and a vestibule overlap panel beak.

    We will most likely offer two models of the sewn-on beak, a straight across overlap panel beak, and a vestibule overlap panel beak.

    Since we're still designing, building, and testing, I will put your name on a list of interested folks. There is still a bit to do and figure out such as materials and labor costs, and a reasonable market price. Hopefully this will all come together shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Questions View Post
    I am creating a list.

    We will most likely offer two models of removable Grizz beaks, a straight across overlap panel beak, and a vestibule overlap panel beak.

    We will most likely offer two models of the sewn-on beak, a straight across overlap panel beak, and a vestibule overlap panel beak.

    Since we're still designing, building, and testing, I will put your name on a list of interested folks. There is still a bit to do and figure out such as materials and labor costs, and a reasonable market price. Hopefully this will all come together shortly.
    Add me to the list. Also, would you be able add a couple patch reinforced panel pulls onto the tarp as well? I was out this last weekend and it was really windy and I was wishing I had panel pulls. I tried my trekking poles propped up against the inside of the tarp and while it did work I didn't like the idea of having something pushing against the tarp and stretching the material out so I removed them. Didn't do any damage to tarp and the stretched out spots sprung back to normal but long term I'm not comfortable with using the poles as I'm worried about causing permanent damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizza View Post
    Add me to the list. Also, would you be able add a couple patch reinforced panel pulls onto the tarp as well? I was out this last weekend and it was really windy and I was wishing I had panel pulls. I tried my trekking poles propped up against the inside of the tarp and while it did work I didn't like the idea of having something pushing against the tarp and stretching the material out so I removed them. Didn't do any damage to tarp and the stretched out spots sprung back to normal but long term I'm not comfortable with using the poles as I'm worried about causing permanent damage.
    We've not sewn pull out patches on tarps yet. I'll have to see how to properly do it and discuss it with Donna to see if that's something she wants to do. I'll PM you down the road about it.

    On another note, have you seen what I did in lieu of pull out patches? I added pole pockets to my tarp and use an aluminum pole to arch the tarp. Works very well and no need for trees for pull outs.
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    Add me to the list as well
    For at least The vestibule model , probably one of each.
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