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    Stand By On Use Of The Cleats!

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTheWeasel View Post
    I tried out these cleats this weekend on a Hennessy Hyperlight and my friend tried them on his Asym Deluxe. Neither of us hit the ground and I didn't have to fiddle with it at all. Worked well. Thanks for the tip and for all the testing. Knowing to tie a knot at the end to keep the cleat from twisting out helped as well.

    I was reluctant to modify my hammock to use the rings. This is an easy, cheap, and effective substitute.

    I'll be picking up a second set for my daughter's hammock.

    FreeTheWeasel

    Hold everything!!!

    I just spent three nites in my HH using the cleats... I did undo them ant tighten up my hang over the weekend but didnt notice anything at the time...

    When I went to take everything down this morning... I noticed that one of the cleats' arms had bent ever so slightly! This occurred on both of the units.

    Now here's what I need to know from you folks...

    What is the diameter of the line that extends from a HH Desert Rat? (no, I have no idea about this stuff or where to find the info!)

    The cleat packaging states "up to 3/8 inch diameter."

    Have I over extended the cleats capacity?

    I am so bummed about this. Hmmm Guess I'll have to start looking back into that ring buckle thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALHikerGal View Post
    When I went to take everything down this morning... I noticed that one of the cleats' arms had bent ever so slightly! This occurred on both of the units.
    Which cleat - one of the inside cleats or one of the end cleats? Did you notice if the cleat was closer to the hammock or further away from the hammock?
    [QUOTE=ALHikerGal;18601]What is the diameter of the line that extends from a HH Desert Rat? (no, I have no idea about this stuff or where to find the info!)/QUOTE]

    Just lay the line on a ruler and measure the diameter.

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    Could you post a picture of the bent cleats?

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    By the time I realized what had happened, I had already removed the cleat entirely from the line, so I cant tell you if it was tree side or hammock side.

    The bent one was an inner cleat, not an end.

    I have pics, not at home at the moment (using HolidayInn wifi! while "working")
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALHikerGal View Post
    I am so bummed about this. Hmmm Guess I'll have to start looking back into that ring buckle thing...
    If you abadon the cleats, and still don't like the ring buckles, then be sure to take a look at the crazy creek type buckles. After some tinkering, I think that it is actually a better solution than the rings. I have tied mine on differently than Just Jeff's page suggests, though, and use the method shown in BlackBishop351's pictures.
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    Hmmmmm

    Been thinking about this all afternoon (working, but bored to tears)

    A product/part that works on the same idea of a bracket that raises/lowers mini blinds...

    You pull it in one direction and it locks the cord in place. You pull it in the opposite direction and it releases the cord...

    First, is there such a creature? Maybe in the climbing/caving venue? Second, would something like that really work? Physics? Costs? Weights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALHikerGal View Post
    Hmmmmm

    Been thinking about this all afternoon (working, but bored to tears)

    A product/part that works on the same idea of a bracket that raises/lowers mini blinds...

    You pull it in one direction and it locks the cord in place. You pull it in the opposite direction and it releases the cord...

    First, is there such a creature? Maybe in the climbing/caving venue? Second, would something like that really work? Physics? Costs? Weights?
    All these ideas are simple friction systems just like knots and lashings. The tradeoff with using hardware for the job (from what I can tell anyway) is speed/ease versus wear and tear. Hardware tends to be quicker and easier, but because of its rigidity, also tends to have more possibility for destroying cord or webbing or whatever.
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    Desert Rat Cord

    Quote Originally Posted by ALHikerGal View Post
    Hold everything!!!
    When I went to take everything down this morning... I noticed that one of the cleats' arms had bent ever so slightly! This occurred on both of the units.

    Now here's what I need to know from you folks...

    What is the diameter of the line that extends from a HH Desert Rat? (no, I have no idea about this stuff or where to find the info!)
    I measured the cord diameter on my Desert Rat. 1/4".

    This cord is remarkly stiff, it's not your mother's Spectra. The core is like melted polyester. In the attached picture, the end of the rope is holding itself up like a cobra. The cord on my Explorer Ultralight is similar (it can do stand-up comedy also), but thinner I think, and consequently bends more easily.

    It seems plausible to me that the stiffness could put more stress on the cleats, but will leave that to the engineers to puzzle out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALHikerGal View Post
    Hmmmmm

    Been thinking about this all afternoon (working, but bored to tears)

    A product/part that works on the same idea of a bracket that raises/lowers mini blinds...

    You pull it in one direction and it locks the cord in place. You pull it in the opposite direction and it releases the cord...

    First, is there such a creature? Maybe in the climbing/caving venue? Second, would something like that really work? Physics? Costs? Weights?
    That is the idea of the cam buckles used with webbing. I used those before the ring buckles. Two problems with them: They have low ratings and they do grip the webbing very hard, with pointed teeth which tend to wear the webbing.

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    Why not try using one of their chrome-plated cleats or die-cast zinc cleats?
    Should be much stronger than the nylon. Wonder what they weight?
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