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    Swallowing Pills...

    Quote Originally Posted by opie View Post
    Curious how you deploy the TB tensioner with no knots on the line inside the TB itself.
    Dyna-Glide "slips" by design, so it reduces damage to trees as it slides over limbs and bark, but it grips exceptionally well when used with buries.

    Just a thought... how about:
    (1) Burying a double thickness "pill" into where you want your "line knot."
    (2) Using Jeff's Method #2 to thread your line and secure your tubing.

    (A) Double Thickness "Pill" using a small gauge wire snare:
    DTPwWSa.jpg DTPwWSb.jpg DTPwWSc.jpg DTPwWSd.jpg DTPwWSe.jpg DTPwWSf.jpg DTPwWSg.jpg DTPwWSh.jpg

    (B) Single Thickness "Pill" using a coffee straw fid:
    (I'll have to post these pics seperate as I ran out of room.)
    Last edited by TrailH4x; 01-10-2010 at 14:37. Reason: added pics & hyperlink to Jeff's method
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailH4x View Post
    Dyna-Glide "slips" by design, so it reduces damage to trees as it slides over limbs and bark, but it grips exceptionally well when used with buries.

    Just a thought... how about:
    (1) Burying a double thickness "pill" into where you want your "line knot."
    (2) Using Jeff's Method #1 to thread your line and secure your tubing.

    (A) Double Thickness "Pill" using a small gauge wire snare:
    --working on pics to post here--

    (B) Single Thickness "Pill" using a coffee straw fid:
    --workingon pics to post here--
    Ill be curious to see how you keep the "pill" stationary buried in the line.
    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie View Post
    Ill be curious to see how you keep the "pill" stationary buried in the line.
    It hasn't given me issues thus far , but thinking now I guess it could over time. If this prooves to be a factor: (a) whip or (b) tie wrap both sides of the pill, or (c) throw a thread lock through it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailH4x View Post
    It hasn't given me issues thus far , but thinking now I guess it could over time. If this prooves to be a factor: (a) whip or (b) tie wrap both sides of the pill, or (c) throw a thread lock through it.
    The Thera Band exerts a considerable amount of force on the stopper knots.

    I think its eaiser to just tie a stopper knot in the line. All it does is give the zip tie a "backer". Allows the TB to stretch.

    Are you currently using this method for tensioning guy lines?
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    Swalling Pills (cont.)

    Quote Originally Posted by TrailH4x View Post
    (I'll have to post these pics seperate as I ran out of room.)
    (B) Single Thickness "Pill" using a coffee straw fid:
    STPwCSa.jpg STPwCSb.jpg STPwCSc.jpg STPwCSd.jpg STPwCSe.jpg STPwCSf.jpg
    (Woow!, these pics are grainy. Sorry guys, camera phone's all I got right now.)
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    Use the Force Luke...

    Quote Originally Posted by opie View Post
    The Thera Band exerts a considerable amount of force on the stopper knots.

    I think its eaiser to just tie a stopper knot in the line. All it does is give the zip tie a "backer". Allows the TB to stretch.

    Are you currently using this method for tensioning guy lines?
    Yup. I never would have thought of using a non-stretch line and adding line tensioners to it, but some majically showed up in my box one day , so... The ridgeline should have need the first project, but loops and UCR's captured my interest first in the form of my tarp out lines.

    I'm currently playing with a set of tensioning double loops from DynaGlide to prusik onto my ridgeline. I may have to go to another form of rescue hitch to gain a little more friction on my new ridgeline. I think I'll need to tweek this setup a bit, just one of those gut feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailH4x View Post
    Yup. Building a set of double loops to prusik onto my ridgeline also.
    I want to test how well the prusik will work with the DynaGlide. I think I'll need to tweek this setup a bit.
    I know the 1.75 Zing It holds well on the Dynaglide. I havent tried putting a Dyanglide prusik on a Dynaglide main line.

    I do know that the 1.75 prusik slips around 30 pounds when its on a 1.75 main line. Thats with 4 wraps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailH4x View Post
    Yup. I never would have thought of using a non-stretch line and adding line tensioners to it, but some majically showed up in my box one day , so... The ridgeline should have need the first project, but loops and UCR's captured my interest first in the form of my tarp out lines.

    I'm currently playing with a set of tensioning double loops from DynaGlide to prusik onto my ridgeline. I may have to go to another form of rescue hitch to gain a little more friction on my new ridgeline. I think I'll need to tweek this setup a bit, just one of those gut feelings.
    Post edit response.

    Ive been playing with different sorts of friction hitches... Klemheist, French Prusik....

    Im going to try the Distel next...

    Heres a pretty good overview of friction hitches...


    http://www.treebuzz.com/pdf/climbing_hitches.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by opie View Post
    The purpose of this thread was to discuss what the "right" tension is.

    4" of TB stretched to 12" produces 9.3 pounds of pull. Thats equivalent to hanging a little more than 1 gallon of water from each tie out.
    I've been following this thread for a bit, and sort of found it funny that no one was actually talking about the OP. That said, 6-9# does seem about right. I know I pull my tie-outs fairly tight. I have sling-shot sections in my lines. They are ~10" in their relaxed state and I stretch them to 2.5' once I have them tied out. I'd probably need a fish-scale of some sorts to actually measure the tension. I doubt 4# would do it, but that's just me. I always crank down my fly tie-outs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlbj6142 View Post
    I've been following this thread for a bit, and sort of found it funny that no one was actually talking about the OP. That said, 6-9# does seem about right. I know I pull my tie-outs fairly tight. I have sling-shot sections in my lines. They are ~10" in their relaxed state and I stretch them to 2.5' once I have them tied out. I'd probably need a fish-scale of some sorts to actually measure the tension. I doubt 4# would do it, but that's just me. I always crank down my fly tie-outs.

    6-9 is what Im shooting for as well. I think I may have found it....Just waiting on it to arrive.

    I may have also found an alternative to the Thera Band. Time will tell.
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