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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgringo View Post
    So...IX between the hammock and the hammocker is a bad idea, then?
    Yup. I tried one to three layers of IX between me and the hammock- still got cold as if there was nothing there. Its not like sleeping on a space blanket where you definitely will be warm

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgringo View Post
    So...IX between the hammock and the hammocker is a bad idea, then?
    Sounds like it...

    I have used an IX/Lamilite pad under my legs inside the hammock with good results. I've also used that same pad to sit upon an ice covered, upside down bucket in a deer stand, with good results.
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    compressible polyethylene?

    I think IX is polyethylene. If you google 'polyethylene sheet' you find that low density polyethylene is described as "closed cell, compressible polyehtylene."
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    IX looks surprizingly like the 'packaging insulation', wrapping or 'sheet stuffing' often used for protecting fragile items during shipping. Is there a major difference? Has anyone tried packaging insulation instead of IX? Do they function the same? Of course IX is quilted between thin shim layers; but the guts of te stuff look like common plastic packaging material. Any thoughts?
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    Come to the Mt Rogers hangout this weekend and see IX in person, Ed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by angrysparrow View Post
    Come to the Mt Rogers hangout this weekend and see IX in person, Ed!
    I'd love too! Now if I could just get someone to run my company for a few days. It wasn't suppose to be this way---I was suppose to be the one out doing field tests!

    Afraid I'll miss the field tests---but looking forward to the follow up discussions here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotToWorry View Post
    IX looks surprizingly like the 'packaging insulation', wrapping or 'sheet stuffing' often used for protecting fragile items during shipping. Is there a major difference?
    No. I believe IX is a thin, low density, closed cell polyethylene sheet. It's microperforated, faced with a non-woven on both sides, and quilted.
    Quote Originally Posted by NotToWorry View Post
    Has anyone tried packaging insulation instead of IX?
    It's hard to find it in large enough quantity to do anything with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by NotToWorry View Post
    Do they function the same?
    IX is breathable because it is perforated. That's the major difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by NotToWorry View Post
    Of course IX is quilted between thin shim layers; but the guts of te stuff look like common plastic packaging material. Any thoughts?
    That is why I think it is low density polyethylene, like you find on top of a new VCR when you open the box... they look identical to me.

    Ed, I'll send you a yard, if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotToWorry View Post
    IX looks surprizingly like the 'packaging insulation', wrapping or 'sheet stuffing' often used for protecting fragile items during shipping. Is there a major difference? Has anyone tried packaging insulation instead of IX? Do they function the same? Of course IX is quilted between thin shim layers; but the guts of te stuff look like common plastic packaging material. Any thoughts?
    A long while back I had made something just like this as a hammock pad - to be used inside the hammock, between hammock and hammocker.

    It was layered like this, from top to bottom:
    -Fleece
    -1/16" packing ccf like you mentioned
    -space blanket
    -1/16" packing ccf
    -1.6oz ripstop, uncoated

    The 'pad' was 3'x5' and weighed 16oz. Heavy for what it was. Worked well in moderate weather. I sent it along with a friend who did half a thru-hike on the AT this last summer - he said it saved his butt on those cold nights. It was the only underinsulation he had.

    Having learned a good bit more since then, I don't think I'd bother making another one. Here's my latest thought on what to build.

    A synthetic Climashield UQ with a bottom sleeve to insert a layer(s) of insultex into (making it adaptable to expected temp. range). This should conform to the hammock properly, and maintain that air gap that Insultex needs to perform well. Worth a try, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sclittlefield View Post
    Here's my latest thought on what to build.

    A synthetic Climashield UQ with a bottom sleeve to insert a layer(s) of insultex into (making it adaptable to expected temp. range).
    Good idea, an UQ with a sleeve, so it can perform just like the insulated sock.
    Quote Originally Posted by sclittlefield View Post
    This will conforme to the hammock well, and maintain that air gap that Insultex needs to perform well.
    I believe it the conformation, as opposed to the air gap, that is the key. It has to fit well.
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    A synthetic Climashield UQ with a bottom sleeve to insert a layer(s) of insultex into (making it adaptable to expected temp. range). Worth a try, anyway.
    By bottom do you mean against hammock or below the climashield? I have some insultex laid out and was on the same track with the climashield. I was planning on the Insultex to the outer cover and the climashield to the inner cover. I was going to make a trapezoid shape to keep it shaped more to hammock.

    BTW: Thanks for the quick shipping Mac

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