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    Quote Originally Posted by PAHikingTrails View Post
    You need 40" of amsteel to make a 12" continuous loop?!? Wow, that's a lot of rope!

    Why not use a triple fisherman's knot? It will save you on half the rope and half the weight?
    You can do it with less. You need a total bury of 5" plus 1" taper on one side.
    So 2' for the loop and 6" for one bury and probably 2" for the other side.

    24" + 6" + 2" = 32"

    A double fisherman's will take up about 3" a knot and you need two.
    So 24" + 3" + 3" = 32"

    So for 2" you get a pretty good boost to strength.

    The double fisherman's does not test well for strength retention, but we probably will not max it out either way in this application.

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    When you calculate the length of line you need, don't forget to factor in the shrinkage of the line on the outside of the bury. That's usually around 20% of the original length. So, a 5" bury plus 1" taper is 6" but you need about 7-1/2" of line to bury it into because that outside sheath will shrink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD777 View Post
    When you calculate the length of line you need, don't forget to factor in the shrinkage of the line on the outside of the bury. That's usually around 20% of the original length. So, a 5" bury plus 1" taper is 6" but you need about 7-1/2" of line to bury it into because that outside sheath will shrink.
    Oh yeah, your right. Forgot about that part.
    Add a couple inches for that though and you are still not much higher than the fisherman's solution.

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    I'm trying to make my first continuous loop out of 7/64" amsteel, and am having quite a bit of trouble making the bury. I'm using florist wire. My thumbs are starting to feel raw from trying to push the bury over, so I should probably stop for a while. Does anyone have any tips on how to make this easier? I'm wondering if I should get the daho large or x-large splicing needle if it will make it easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauhler31 View Post
    I'm trying to make my first continuous loop out of 7/64" amsteel, and am having quite a bit of trouble making the bury. I'm using florist wire. My thumbs are starting to feel raw from trying to push the bury over, so I should probably stop for a while. Does anyone have any tips on how to make this easier? I'm wondering if I should get the daho large or x-large splicing needle if it will make it easier.
    Did you add a taper to the end of the tail. That taper is critical and extra time and care making it pays off. Also, don't bunch up the outer layer of the bury too much. It needs to be slightly loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD777 View Post
    Did you add a taper to the end of the tail. That taper is critical and extra time and care making it pays off. Also, don't bunch up the outer layer of the bury too much. It needs to be slightly loose.
    I did put a taper in. I'm not sure how to make the bury loose. The small 1/2" that I was able to get through is hard as a rock and the section immediately following is narrower.

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    Are you grabbing it with the wire in the middle of the taper?
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    Here's a quicky vid I made just to illustrate making a bury. It works the same for whoopie slings, continuous loops, eyes, etc.

    I used loop turner, but it's the same for a wire folded in half....http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...99&postcount=7

    If you have trouble getting the bury started, You can use a pencil point to spread the opening a little.

    Hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauhler31 View Post
    I'm trying to make my first continuous loop out of 7/64" amsteel, and am having quite a bit of trouble making the bury. I'm using florist wire. My thumbs are starting to feel raw from trying to push the bury over, so I should probably stop for a while. Does anyone have any tips on how to make this easier? I'm wondering if I should get the daho large or x-large splicing needle if it will make it easier.
    Starting the bury is the hardest part.
    I have to work over a strand at a time to get started.
    If it bunches up at all in the beginning, it will bind on itself.

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    I just got back from a weekend trip and this time I made the taper a little longer, and that seemed to do the trick. Thanks guys for all the advice!

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