i had earlier in the week posted a thread stating my whoopies were not holding and was kinda irritated by this, soon i had numourous hf members jumping in trying to help find the cause, AHE(paul is his real name) jumped in and told me i had the whoopies installed in my hammock backwards, super slueth shug also came to this conclusion so i changed them out and all is wonderful and lighter. thanks to all that chimed in it was appreciated