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    Redesigned TRL

    OK... My recent trip brought about some new thoughts and some old ones that simply worked.

    First... I am going back to the Figure 9 for the second anchor point. Its simple and just about fail proof. I am going to make this prusik a 4 wrap prusik.

    Second... No more toggles. Not on the ends or for the tarp. Youll see why in the slideshow. The S biner option will remain.

    Third... The first end will now have a Nite Ize Knot Bone as the attachment. This will be built into a fixed eye.

    Enjoy. I hope to get this up on the site tonight.

    http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/p...view=slideshow

    The 2 line version will be exactly the same other than having Knot Bones on each end of each line and no Figure 9. This method will also allow you to create the "V" dejoha illustrated.
    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    Agreed, on the Figure 9. They are simple and effective. Have no experience with the Knot Bone but it looks simple enough too. But I kinda liked the toggles

    SmokeBait

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeBait View Post
    Agreed, on the Figure 9. They are simple and effective. Have no experience with the Knot Bone but it looks simple enough too. But I kinda liked the toggles

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    Agreed, but the toggles were handmade, one at a time, so this makes sense.
    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeBait View Post
    Agreed, on the Figure 9. They are simple and effective. Have no experience with the Knot Bone but it looks simple enough too. But I kinda liked the toggles

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    I like the toggles too. Switching to the Knot Bone also comes at a higher cost to me. I intend to not raise the price of the TRL and 1 Knot Bone costs more than 2 toggles.

    However... As I was setting up my tarp a couple weekends ago, fighting the wind there was an instance where I needed to unhook the toggle/loop end. With the wind gusting to 40, and the TRL loose, I still couldnt get the loop over the toggle to get it undone. With this... In order to undo it, all you need to do is unwrap it.

    I suppose I can keep the toggles for custom orders....
    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    Weight on a 1 line is 1.1 ounces and 1.3 ounces with S biners.

    Ill get a 2 line weight up when I get one made.
    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    I tried toggles on my ridgeline but got rid of them. I found them fussy like Opie said And they seemed to tangle on me.
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    The pic where you showed toggleing the dring through the tarp loop is iffy. The tarp will fall out, U have to use a stick to toggle it, or did u leave the stick out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikemouser View Post
    The pic where you showed toggleing the dring through the tarp loop is iffy. The tarp will fall out, U have to use a stick to toggle it, or did u leave the stick out?
    The tarp can fall out if you use a toggle, too. I was able to loosen it up to get repositioned and for pictures and it didnt fall out. It would more than likely be more secure if the webbing at the D ring wasnt as wide...

    However.... I think with a toggle at the RL point, the price paid is the chance it can fall out.
    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    I used a nacrabiner/shackle to attach the tarp to the ridgeline. No toggle needed and a very secure way of attaching it to the tarp.

    I didn't use D rings when I made my tarp. I could always use a trail stick as a toggle in the grossgrain loops, but if I can't find suitable sticks I can use the nacrabiner shackle prusik on my tarp ridgeline.





    I was waiting to post on this idea until I had tried out a grossgrain pull tab instead of the bead used to keep the loop from closing and also to pull the loop out. I'll try to test it out this week.

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    dang lost cause beet me.i just came on here to post allmost exactly the same thing nacra prussics,to attach tarp to ridge with no toggle or s biner.
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    used 30 in of 1.75 zing it.tied a fixed loop on one end,and a monkeys fist on the other.whipped it with a nail knot the tag ends of which i made into a loop(grey part)for a lock
    wrapped on line as a regular prusic.

    how are yours tied lost cause?
    bill

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