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    Faux DIY Bottom Insulation

    I am preparing for a fast two-day hang in the White Mountain National Forest in NH, and thinking about bottom insulation because of the radical temp drops in the mountains at night.

    I will be hanging (FIRST hang ever! in a new HH Expedition, with a larger Camo HEX Fly and Snakeskins.

    Worried about bottom insulation, I am thinking of trying this set-up:

    Inserting full-length 3/8 inch CCF (have it already, maybe need to shape it? Cut into sections?) into a Fleece bag that I have, and placing it INSIDE the hammock, but UNDER my 20* sleeping bag. The fleece should add some warmth, and keep the CCF from getting wet, and be a layer between the sleeping bag and the CCF as well.

    Thoughts from The Hanging Elders?

    Oh ...I will be hanging right next to a riverbank as well (Fly Fishing Hang), so there will be mosquitoes and other flying creatures around - and the CCF may protect by backside from bites, I think.

    Please speak, O Wise Ones!
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    20* bag, pad and fleece..oh you'll be warm. Have a good hang.
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    Yes. You will definately be warm... possibly too warm.

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    You might not need the fleece. I don't care for pads in hammocks, but I've made them conform to the curved shape better by cutting a couple of 12" slits in each side to make darts - not sewn, just let the foam overlap. In the Whites, climb high, but camp low,

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    CCF Pad sliced "Darts"

    Quote Originally Posted by WV View Post
    You might not need the fleece. I don't care for pads in hammocks, but I've made them conform to the curved shape better by cutting a couple of 12" slits in each side to make darts - not sewn, just let the foam overlap. In the Whites, climb high, but camp low,
    ===> Do you meant cut 12" slices in the ENDS of the CCF sheet? As opposed to the sides? That makes sense to me ....makes the last foot or so (I think 18" cuts may be better) fold over more into the correct shape, no?

    I was going to trim the pad and round the shoulder corners and mildly round the bottom, but the slicing 'darts' wold allow me to keep it full sized (rectangle) if I ever had to be a ground dweller for whatever reason. Hmmmmm.... gotta think this through. I like the slicing, but full-sized option.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyPainter View Post
    ===> Do you meant cut 12" slices in the ENDS of the CCF sheet? As opposed to the sides? That makes sense to me ....makes the last foot or so (I think 18" cuts may be better) fold over more into the correct shape, no?

    I was going to trim the pad and round the shoulder corners and mildly round the bottom, but the slicing 'darts' wold allow me to keep it full sized (rectangle) if I ever had to be a ground dweller for whatever reason. Hmmmmm.... gotta think this through. I like the slicing, but full-sized option.

    Thanks!
    I believe WV was advising slits in the side...about hip level. I'll let him respond, though. Absent clarification from him, do a backyard trial with the uncut CCF pad. You'll see almost instantly what is needed once you are actually on the pad in the hammock.
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    Maybe a different system....

    Quote Originally Posted by BOB1520 View Post
    Yes. You will definately be warm... possibly too warm.
    Thanks....well, maybe I won't need the 20* bag right away.... just sleep in the fleece bag,maybe with the Thermarest Reactor liner, with the CCF underneath it - inside the hammock. I will have enough with me to make whatever configuration seems to work. Since I got back from Vietnam, I have always been cold...even in the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyPainter View Post
    Thanks....well, maybe I won't need the 20* bag right away.... just sleep in the fleece bag,maybe with the Thermarest Reactor liner, with the CCF underneath it - inside the hammock. I will have enough with me to make whatever configuration seems to work. Since I got back from Vietnam, I have always been cold...even in the summer.
    Since you are a COLD sleeper then your initial setup might be just right.

    I'm also a COLD sleeper and my 20* bag is good to about 30-35*.
    I would reccommend that you use and additional CCF pad to go crosswise to give you better sholder coverage. you could put this under the Fleece bag that the other CCF pad is in. With this configuration I would try using the bag as a quilt (un-zip it leaving a foot box) to start with and if you find that you backside is getting cold, you can slide the bag uder you and zip up inside the bag. Of course you experience may differ from mine.

    I started out using a pad and found that my body creates allot of condensation. and my bag was damp in the morning. So I don't use pads anymore. I would migrate to a UQ when you can. The KAQ or the JRB winter Nest works very well for me.

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    Thanks, Beep. The back yard test is a good idea. Where the pad buckles, slice. Take it slow, though. Not sure the ends will need cutting.

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    Thanks for all the ideas, guys. I think I will start with the CCF slid inside the fleece bag (which is simply single-layer fleece sewn into a rectangular sleeping bag with a full length side zipper) and using my 20* mummy sleeping bag as a TQ .... good suggestion to start there, then get inside as/if the temps dictate. I was thinking of putting a survival/space blanket, or maybe even another fleece bag opened-up under the hammock as an UQ .... not sure about that idea yet. There sure are a lot of ways to configure these things! As long as I can sleep warm, I will be a happy hanger!

    Thanks again!
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