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    Well, some way, some where, some how, these buckles must have supported life (bacteria perhaps?) or have been used in some "life supporting" manner (belt buckle?).

    I still rate them unscientifically an A+ for hanging my hammock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapt View Post
    Several months ago (before you ever joined HF Rapt) there was another thread about this. (That thread later got really messed up when another member left and deleted a bunch of his posts in a petty temper tantrum). In that thread, I posted emails where I contacted OnRope1 about the 'life support rating' and what it meant.

    After some back and forth emails with them I learned that they don't make the buckles themselves, but they are purchased from another supplier. That supplier doesn't publish ratings, and OnRope1 didn't want to give a stated rating to a device they don't manufacture. They did inform me, though, that they use the buckles in some of their climbing harnesses that have been tested. They stated that the harnesses only failed at the breaking limit of the webbing used, and that the buckles were in tact.

    Now, that doesn't scientifically tell us anything. But, it does lend credence to the notion that the buckles are stronger than webbing(or at least as strong as), and both are FAR FAR stronger than the fabric used in most hammock bodies. If something is going to fail, it is reasonable to expect that the failure will occur at the point of greatest weakness. In this scenario, that point of weakness is the fabric, not the buckle.

    I agree with NCPatrick. I personally feel that the cast cinch buckles are a good option for hammock hanging. They clearly aren't the lightest method, though.
    Last edited by angrysparrow; 10-18-2007 at 09:29.
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    No, Cinch buckles don't work, you can't make me believe it. I'm not listening. LALALALALALALA. *Puts hands over eyes so he can't read the thread*

    Yeah, don't want to change from the rings since I just made them and they are working.

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    There's nothing wrong with the rings either... they have great feng shui, IMO.

    But you won't read this anyway with your hands over your eyes...


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    Thanks Angry Sparrow for the clarification, AND the information...

    I also suspected that for this application they would be more than strong enough, but I'm not certain that using them in a harness is the same as using them in direct tension per se... Not having been present at the testing...

    But I agree that while they clearly work, they aren't the lightest... Will they ever fail? and when/how??? Again that's an unknown. I suspect that like has been alluded to it'll generally be the webbing if there is a failure.

    My point was more about taking ratings (like that one) with a large grain of salt, rather than as gospel. For me a rating means it was tested to a standard, and has a genuine value associated with the results of that standard testing. Anything else is just marketing and has next to no value and may be subject to change without notice (or knowledge). But thats the engineer/designer in me.

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    I have one hammock that I use a ring on, but not in the buckle style. I have been using the knott that is used to do up the cinch on a western saddle and it works great. No slippage, easy to adjust and easy to undo. The ring I am using is a rated rock climbers slip ring ( 5000 ) lbs so no worry about it failing.
    Here is a link to how it is tied. Simple, fast and secure. I call it my "one ring circus method"
    http://horses.about.com/od/choosinga...s/tiecinch.htm
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    Sure that's a lark's head with an open end, well actually two... Works just fine! Its how I attach tie outs to tarp loops.

    Easy to tie and easy to remove.

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