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    Hammick Biners and Rappelling?

    I'm new hang'n, and I decided to go with 31kN locking biners for my whoopie all-in-one suspension. I know its overkill for hanging a few feet off the ground, but I had the idea of dual purposing the biners for rappelling as well. Does anyone else do this too?

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    Nope. But if you are going on a climbing trip it makes sense! Most climbers don't hike a really long way to get to their destinations, so the weight wouldn't matter.
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    Try this post for a discussion on 'biners.

    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ght=carabiners

    What it comes down to is, How far are you willing to fall due to an equipment failure? Six inches? Twelve? Twenty four?

    Quality components are inexpensive in the long run.


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    31kn? are they rated for climbing? sounds like they probably are, if so they should be fine. Most climbers prefer the somewhat larger style pear shaped 'biners in conjunction with various belay/repel devices for repelling.

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    Yeah, I have these biners left over from past glory days of rappelling and climbing (mostly rock gyms) and a few bouldering trips. I'm just trying to keep myself from spending more money (that I don't really have) on some newfangled piece of gear when I've got these laying around.

    I'm trying to convince myself that despite the obvious weight issue, it makes more sense (in the long run) to carry dual purposed equipment. i.e. I can use the biners for the hammock as well as have them with my rescue 8 for emergency and/or recreational rappelling. Especially since I could always use my sling webbing for a hasty swiss seat if need be.

    In all honestly, it's not a real argument because I don't ever carry climbing rope with me into the woods anymore, unless I'm going to a place specifically to rappel. So...like I said...it's really more about me trying to keep from spending more money. I was just hoping for some, "hell yeahs" or "I do it all the time", statements to help me in my internal struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skistrees View Post
    31kn? are they rated for climbing? sounds like they probably are, if so they should be fine. Most climbers prefer the somewhat larger style pear shaped 'biners in conjunction with various belay/repel devices for repelling.
    Yep, I believe they are the highest rated biners you can get for basic climbing. There maybe newer ones out that are higher rated, but I would imagine they would be for specialized applications.

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    Your biners will work fine.
    I will warn you that climbing rope makes for terrible hammock suspension line. Regardless the rating (oh, it won't break) it will stretch..A lot!! Been there done that.
    The ropes used for climbing are designed to stretch.
    Not what you want when you hang your hammock, you'll wake up with your but on the ground. You'll still be hooked to the trees, just the rope stretched a few feet.
    Get some good straps and hang worry free
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    Quote Originally Posted by gargoyle View Post
    Your biners will work fine.
    I will warn you that climbing rope makes for terrible hammock suspension line. Regardless the rating (oh, it won't break) it will stretch..A lot!! Been there done that.
    The ropes used for climbing are designed to stretch.
    Not what you want when you hang your hammock, you'll wake up with your but on the ground. You'll still be hooked to the trees, just the rope stretched a few feet.
    Get some good straps and hang worry free
    Gargoyle: Yeah I hear ya. Besides that, climbing rope is WAY too expensive and requires too much special care to be used for hanging. I've got woopiesling all-in-one suspension for that. I do intend to use my climbing biners though...but I just know I'll end up buying Dutch Clips at a later date. I just know it...<sigh>

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    I've been using a couple of Black Diamond wire gates to hang my HH Expedition using the stock rope. Rope is tied to the biner using a Munter hitch and tied off with a Munter Mule. When breaking down camp, I'd just unclip one end of the tree strap and keep everything else connected. Re-adjusted during next hang if neccessary.
    The Munter does tend to tighen up a bit.
    I'm current converting over to Dynamee whoopie slings and will toggle to the straps.
    To Boldly Hang Where No One Has Hung Before...

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    Sounds like I've got an opportunity to create a new niche group here on HF. Now, if only I could convert my friends who still rappel and rock climb on a regular basis to make the move from the ground to the trees. I could climb and hang...and chances are that I probably wouldn't have to be one of the schlubbs muling the rope!

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