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    i guess even hoisting up a 2 oz pulley is alot better than a bag of food.

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    Often I do climb the tree to set the pulley... Its fun and gives some good views...

    But sometimes its not possible. Depending on the tree branch and bark type I'll throw the heavy rope up and then use very light cord to set the pulley.

    Because I tend to base camp from a specific location for several days/weeks I don't mind spending some time getting the bear bag set up well. Mine are typically 10-15' off the ground and about that far from the tree trunk too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    isn't bear bagging still widely accepted? this is way worse than even hanging without tree straps, as the line saws into the bark of the tree as the weighted bag is raised and then lowered again in the morning.
    I'm no arborist but I would think the opposite true, that damaging the trunk would be much worse than a single branch. I'm not disagreeing that both seem bad for the tree though.

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    I'm guessing that whatever we do in the wild can be detrimental.

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    Worse than bear bagging or hanging your hammock from a tree though would be the flight or the drive to the woods and the lifestyle and infrastructure in place that allows us to head to the woods for 'recreation'. (what are we re-creating anyways?)

    In principle we should LNT. But if that were true we ought to look for the big changes we can make to care for our wild places and our planet. The world would be a different place if we practiced LNT in our jobs, lives, homes...

    Fighting over the right to hang from a tree is like trying to save grams, when we have many tons of work to do that could have larger impacts over the longer term!

    Sympathy for the park officials though, for sure. I just wish they'd limit the gas guzzlers and the RVs before they limit folks walking around with relatively friendly gear - Rock climbing has certainly taken this route - improving with technology to leave rock faces and mountains in better shape than years ago... (primarily climber driven, I think) but along with technology has come the ability for many many many more people to "head to the great outdoors" - and that brings it own problems - trash on Everest (and every mountain!), roads in wild places, cars everywhere, jet contrails in the sky no matter how far away I seem to get... cell phone towers, etc. etc.

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    Hanging a bear bag over a limb is not going to affect the longevity of any tree that wasn't about to die anyway. Contrary to what some may believe, not all trees live to be a thousand years old and grow three hundred feet tall. They die and fall down all the time, without hammocks or bear bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redtail View Post
    I'm no arborist but I would think the opposite true, that damaging the trunk would be much worse than a single branch. I'm not disagreeing that both seem bad for the tree though.
    well, i was just thinking about a bear bag causing more bark damage due to the sawing effect. weather this is more likely to just kill the branch and not the whole tree i could not say, but as someone pointed out before, bark damage really just opens the tree to insects and disease, and it probably doesn't matter where the injury occurs with regards to these factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take-a-knee View Post
    Hanging a bear bag over a limb is not going to affect the longevity of any tree that wasn't about to die anyway. Contrary to what some may believe, not all trees live to be a thousand years old and grow three hundred feet tall. They die and fall down all the time, without hammocks or bear bags.
    some trees have a lifespan on a mere 10-20 years.

    heck some trees drop their seeds but the shells won't open to germinate untill they have been scorched by fire (cough- california -cough)

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    that doesnt mean your allowed to set trees on fire, it happens due to natural forest fires. (lightning strikes)

    is there a way to attach a tarp to the hammock? That Way it would be even easier to set up:
    tie tree huggers, attach tarp, set up hammock underneath, without needing to tie hammock straps

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    Quote Originally Posted by skar578 View Post
    that doesnt mean your allowed to set trees on fire, it happens due to natural forest fires. (lightning strikes)
    yes of course. but building in those natural forest fire zones is just a bad idea. and yes i have relatives that got evacuated due to fires recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by skar578 View Post
    is there a way to attach a tarp to the hammock? That Way it would be even easier to set up:
    tie tree huggers, attach tarp, set up hammock underneath, without needing to tie hammock straps
    where there is a will there is a way. we've had discussions about using a solid structual line from tree to tree and using prussik knots to hang the hammock underneith (this makes the hammock ridge span adjustable from stretched hammock to sagging seat)

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