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    oh, i see you've already got it. (poncho liner) is it laminated to the shell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    did you just buy it from him? i think i remember reading somewhere, that he would even sell you some laminated to some ripstop like he uses. it might be an option unless you've already got it.
    what I got was a poncho liner on sale. I figured I'd try to get at the stuff that's inside the cover, or failing that, just cut a piece of the poncho liner as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    i got down to 17* the other night with my climashield torso length uq. it was 10oz/yd of xp.
    I feel like someone's kissin my girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    i consider myself a cols sleeper as well. it was below 20* all night long, i woke up a few times an was warm, when i woke up at 7:00, by back was barely cool, and i could have gone right back to sleep. i plan on doing some more testing, so i'll let you know about lower temps, i do feel like i could possibly go a few more degrees before i was uncomfortably cold though.

    i also have just made a sil shell for it, i would like to see how much warmth this adds, i also came across some material called a heat sheet, it is reflective like a space blanket, but soft and quiet, it is thin, and it is laminated to about a 1/32" of ocf. since i can access the inside to add/remove layers, i could also add this or other reflective material. it is a vapor barrier so i might only be able to use it in conjunction with the sil shell, otherwise the insul might get wet.
    I'd love to know the full report (or did I miss it?), with pictures, etc. How much did your clothing affect the test, how strong was the wind, etc. and all that detail stuff.


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    Thumbs down I know a little bit about poncho liners

    I lived in one for 13 months. They are better than nothing in cool weather but way too light on loft and way too heavy on ounces. A new one weighs almost two pounds. For hot weather they actually make you feel cooler the way they wick away moisture. I lost one to shrapnel, but I was so proud of it I had a hard time replacing it with a better one. You can see through a poncho liner. If you are wearing a poncho for days on end, the liner is a bit of a relief at times in hot weather and a real blessing in cold weather. It got down to nearly 35 degrees many times in the mountains. I think I would keep looking for something better though, IMHO. Mule
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCPatrick View Post
    I'd love to know the full report (or did I miss it?), with pictures, etc. How much did your clothing affect the test, how strong was the wind, etc. and all that detail stuff.
    i posted other details on pg. 2 like weight and size.

    i was in the garage so there was no wind, i was using a quilt, i was only wearing a marmot windshirt on my back, i had a few layers of polyester long john bottoms on, and i was wearing my down booties with ccf soles. i was also wearing a wool hat, and had a good u shaped pillow. also, down jacket under my knees, legs on 1/4" of ccf.

    i checked temp several times through the night, and was constantly in the teens, it is supposed to be really cold again tonight and tomorrow night.

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    Warbonnet, an UQ that weighs a pound and will take you into the teens, sounds like you're way ahead of the power curve with this thing. You got any plans to share yet? Or is this a work in progress?

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    yeah, i'm happy with the inital results, older versions of the same thickness were only working to the upper 20's. cannibal will take this one on his thru and put it through a good test i'm sure. a down version could be even lighter, maybe for next winter.

    as for the design, i'm basically done with it, although i'm always finding little things to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    a down version could be even lighter, maybe for next winter.
    Aww man, that ain't right.

    Yes, I will be putting this thing to the test in just 3 months, yipppeeeee! Can't remember the last time I was looking forward to being cold, tired, and hungry. I think there really is something wrong with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    Aww man, that ain't right.

    Yes, I will be putting this thing to the test in just 3 months, yipppeeeee! Can't remember the last time I was looking forward to being cold, tired, and hungry. I think there really is something wrong with us.
    yeah, but no more dress shoes & ties!!!
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