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    How to stack insulating material

    I have purchased some quilting filler and plan to make a Clark Z-Liner type pads.

    I plan to make the nylon encasement like a box,
    with a top and bottom and a connecting strip all round.
    If that makes sense ???

    I wish to use multi layers and Im wondering how to stack
    with folds or not ???

    Q #1. Would you choose A-B or C and why
    Q #2. would you sew them together.
    Q #3. would you sew at least one layers' perimeter to the perimeter seams of the encasement ???



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    I'd go with A

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred1diver View Post
    I'd go with A
    You can't say that and not back it up with a reason. This isn't a car forum!

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    I would go A and yes, sew them. You don't want them shifting on you and lose insulation. BUT, I am a newb and my opinion doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions of this forum sight or its members (legal disclaimer).

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    In my limited experience, quilt batting if not secured to the perimeter will eventually migrate, I made a TQ out of nylon/batting/Insulbrite/fleece the batting and insulbrite didn't quite go to all the edges, and where it's not sewn to the perimeter, it has pulled back, leaving voids in the insulation.

    That said, if you're sewing the perimeter, I'd do whatever is easiest, as it won't make a difference. Are you going to backpack with this? Typical quilt batting doesn't compress/uncompress very well. My batting experiments (cheap was the goal) created some really flat batting that never re-lofted.

    Since I'm not familiar with the Clark system... if the insulation is going to hang from the corners, you might benefit from a differential cut: where the bottom is slightly larger than the middle which is slightly larger than the top. This will assure you're capturing as much dead-airspace (aka insulation) as possible.

    If this is going to be stuffed in a pocket, then it probably doesn't matter... I've used Insul-Brite (about the same thickness as Warm-n-brite or other thin quilting material) and it's surprisingly warm, just not very compressible.



    I'm going to have to go research the clark setup...

    Let us know what you decide, and as always: PICS!

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    Oh, I wouldn't sew them together, but if they might shift, I'd tie quilting loops... sewing will compress your insulation, where a quilting loop (typically yarn or large string) is designed to prevent shifting and avoid compression...
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    I'll second the quilting loops. Keeps things in place without compression.


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    Stupid question but what exactly is a quilting loop? How is it tied or made?

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    Just a piece of yarn or other thicker string, inserted/sewn down through top-layer, insulation, bottom-layer, then back -- tie the loose ends together (forming the loop). I used to know where a diagram could be found. Now can't find it.

    This keeps material all together without compressing the insulation. All of the KAQ's used to be made this way (are they still?). Without quilting loops, the insulation can get askew and air can get trapped in a quilt, making it balloon out.


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    +1 to NCPatricks idea

    I was thinking along the same lines.

    IMO, options B and C simply add weight, and only stabilize the batts along one edge. At least I now know that the idea I had in my head is called a "quilting loop". Maybe I was a quilter in a former life.

    Jim

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    I guess quilting loop isn't the right term, it's called Tie-Quilting... (my bad)

    The trick with a quilting loop is to make it long enough that it doesn't compress the insulation...

    http://www.connectingthreads.com/tut...orial__D7.html

    About 1/2 way down the show the process. It's about as simple as it gets. The trick is to leave enough length on your yarn/whatever to avoid pulling the loops too tight...
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