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    just wonderin... is it just one shoulder or both?

    and is it mostly downward pressure that affects it?

    does a little pressure pushing on the front of the shoulder, pushing the shoulder back toward the pack, (like you`d get w/ load lifters) bother much? ...tim
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    It's both shoulders, and it's both directions. The issue isn't immediate - it takes a few hours to really start hurting. I've compensated (partially) by adjusting the fit several times during the day, but it still starts bothering me eventually. Pressure from front isn't as bad as from the top, but it's still not good.
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    here`s a thought... even though it doesn`t give you much to go on in the way of actual materials that would really work & still be lightweight.
    i wonder if two stays could be made that would not only stiffen the pack, but continue up above the shoulders & curve forward mabey 4-5".
    mabey they could be aluminum w/ a slight spring.
    with the straps coming off the top of the stays (which are over & near the front of your shoulders) they would make very little contact w/ the shoulders.
    instead, the straps would pull the pack against your back by contact w/ your chest.
    you would probably need a sternum strap... or mabey the straps would form an x across your chest.
    this wouldn`t be as ultralight as you could go, but if it alowed you to walk pain free... hey!
    and mabey the stays would slide out of there selves on the pack & serve other purposes... like spreader bars for the hammock? ...tim
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    That's an interesting idea, especially since I've always had better experiences with external frame packs - same idea here, I think.

    If the pack itself is stiff enough, though, would something like that be very different from attaching the straps above shoulder level? I'm not sure...definitely worth looking into.

    To forestall the next series of comments, yes, I've considered just sticking with an external frame. That's what I'm doing at the moment, actually. The problem is that they're heavy, expensive (like the LuxuryLite), or both. I'm also trying to come up with the most versatile design I can, and a frame pack is pretty limited.

    One thing I would like to play with at some point is a hybrid external frame / gearskin idea. The only problem is that I'm not a metalworker, so it could get expensive.
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    I have a pack similar to this one. The frame only weighs a few oz (9?). At that price it would be a cheap experiment. That being said, Iwould think if you raised the top mounting point very far the straps would be in the way. Maybe rubbing your ears

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    yep... i think that some of the ultralight packs attach the straps high to a pack that has been stiffened, mabey by a plastic sheet or a ccf pad, & this does away w/ the need for load lifter straps... because it`s custom made for that person.
    but if high attachments for the shoulder straps isn`t enough to keep the pressure off your shoulders for the long haul, mabey the curved rods/ poles/ stays, a few inches above your sholders would do the job. ...tim
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    That 'LuxuryLite' thingie made me laugh - a lot

    I needed it too. I have an exam in the morning and I still need to read a few hundred pages of Plutarch. **** those pesky Scipios, Gracchis and Caesars! **** their eyes! Why couldn't they all have their own names instead of recycling the same ones over and over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    That 'LuxuryLite' thingie made me laugh - a lot

    I needed it too. I have an exam in the morning and I still need to read a few hundred pages of Plutarch. **** those pesky Scipios, Gracchis and Caesars! **** their eyes! Why couldn't they all have their own names instead of recycling the same ones over and over?
    Blech!!! Classics!! I still have nightmares over the Iliad from high school....
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    http://www.blackhawk.com/product_det...uct_id=2467&d=

    Check this out and see if it'll work. The straps I have are just the web gear shoulder harness and don't have the mesh panel on back, but their website isn't the easiest to search. If you don't want the mesh panel, call them and see if you can still order just the straps.

    The padded part is 14" long, 4.5" wide, and about .75" thick. I'll take some pics of mine if you want more details before ordering them.

    Or you could always make your own. It's just a casing with some padding stuffed inside.
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