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    OK, I still have enough arrow to fashion two more, so I'm gonna give it another try bc I really like the weight savings. I'm pretty sure the angle of the dangle was the problem. So to all beware, pay attention to your hang angle. I'll report back Monday after my weekend camp.

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    Taylo,
    Be sure the whoopie rests on the hitch/knot above the toggle, and not on the toggle.
    The toggle is just to prevent the ms hitch from falling thru.
    With the whoopie on the hitch, the forces are transferred to the webbing.
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    i think the problem is if you hang at a flatter angle, the underside of the toggle is forced down onto the whoopie loop running under it to the hammock. its not the whoope on the toggle, but the toggle smasing onto the whoopie at a low angle hang. does this make sense? the amsteel is under high tension at a low angle hang and the aluminim smashing onto it causes the aluminum to give. **** amsteel.

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    Don't forget that arrows come in hundreds of wall weights (schedule??) and diameters. A large diameter thin wall would be quite a bit weaker than small\ thick one. If I remember correctly the numbers are something like 2214, the 22 is the diameter and the 14 is the gauge of the aluminum.
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    I have the arrow shaft toggles from Whoopie Slings and have had no issues with them. I weigh 200lbs.

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    Toggle Failure

    I had no arrow shafts on hand, but have a zillion golf shafts. Being high strength steel I'm pretty sure they won't fail, but gotta watch them for rust (but it would take years for rust to be a problem)
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    I don't see how hang angle would put any extra stress on the toggle if the whoopies is placed on the knot correctly.


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    I would say it was a matter of wall thickness of the shaft. I recently had one fail on me. The shaft size was a 2613. I am going to see if I have any 2020's or 2117's laying around. What was your shaft size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutandBack View Post
    I don't see how hang angle would put any extra stress on the toggle if the whoopies is placed on the knot correctly.

    Just a personal preference..but I had the whoopie placed on top as in your pic. I was using a trail stick. Maybe it was a crappy toggle? But it looked to apply more tension to the toggle in the "on top" set up.


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    Golf shafts work fine. My Bro-in-law does golf shaft repair and has a bazillion old shafts. I borrowed a few of his scraps and trimmed them down to 3". The smaller diameter carbon shafts have done well for me. I use the smallest sections (near where the head is attached). Once the diameter increases, I discard/recycle the rest. Also can make walking/trekking poles from the shafts. They are non-collapsible, but pretty lightweight.
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