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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    I bought the same brand stuff from Tractor Supply Company, in a 32 oz bottle (10% permethrin) recently for about $18.00. About the same price as I paid for a 24 oz bottle of .5% Sawyer's at REI last year. The Sawyer's worked great and I hope the Gordon's will too, once I dilute it to .5%.

    But I do have a question. Sawyer's does not say what the 99.5% inert ingredients are, but Gordon's does say "contains petroleum distillates." Those worry me more than the permethrin active ingredient. Don't petroleum distillates melt some synthetic fabrics?! Also, will it dilute well and mix well with water?

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    Thats a good question, I never thought to look at the inert ingredients, maybe the Sawyer inert ingredients are different than Gordon's???

    Might be a good question to ask Sawyer!? As their response to me(which you saw) was that it was safe for the application to those fabrics! There was some discussion at one point about the degradation of fabrics from the application of Permethrin, so it might be plausible to say that it is the inert's that were possibly causing it??? All I know is I have treated almost everything with Sawyers and have yet to have a issue, also Cannibal has been doing the Sawyer treatment for quite sometime without issue as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    But I do have a question. Sawyer's does not say what the 99.5% inert ingredients are, but Gordon's does say "contains petroleum distillates." Those worry me more than the permethrin active ingredient. Don't petroleum distillates melt some synthetic fabrics?! Also, will it dilute well and mix well with water?
    I tried to look up and make sense of the CAS#'s, but quite honestly got lost in all the terminology.

    It mixes up milky white and does not have an objectionable odor beyond the smell of the permethrin itself. I dunked one item at a time in the 5 gallon bucket, swished and wrung out, hung up to dry. Total time in the wet solution was probably 20-30 seconds each and whatever time it took to dry inside a hot garage.

    The materials I soaked included, nylon, polyester, leather, and other sorts of synthetic fabrics. I could not detect any differences.

    Also I should mention that I undressed before going into the house, leaving my clothes out on the back porch and skipped naked right into the bathroom for a shower. Gotta give my Amish neighbors something to talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
    It mixes up milky white and does not have an objectionable odor beyond the smell of the permethrin itself. I dunked one item at a time in the 5 gallon bucket, swished and wrung out, hung up to dry. Total time in the wet solution was probably 20-30 seconds each and whatever time it took to dry inside a hot garage.

    The materials I soaked included, nylon, polyester, leather, and other sorts of synthetic fabrics. I could not detect any differences.

    Also I should mention that I undressed before going into the house, leaving my clothes out on the back porch and skipped naked right into the bathroom for a shower. Gotta give my Amish neighbors something to talk about.

    did you were just any old pair of gloves to dunk and wring them out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewker View Post
    did you were just any old pair of gloves to dunk and wring them out
    Nope, just dunk, wring, hang & repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky Bear View Post
    See post number 1 and 45 in this thread http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ght=permethrin this is the thread that I linked earlier that I started on the Permethrin subject!
    Hope this helps??
    Great information can be found on the above thread with the posts mentioned as the go to for the real meat of the subject.

    It's the right time of year to be speaking about it so thanks for the thread Papa Smurf. I'm a real believer in the stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranky Bear View Post
    All I know is I have treated almost everything with Sawyers and have yet to have a issue, also Cannibal has been doing the Sawyer treatment for quite sometime without issue as well!
    I've been using it every season since May of 2007. My original hammock (Warbonnet ElDorado) is still going strong. It took the abuse of an AT almost-thru (GA-VT) and near constant application of Permethrin. I treat all of my hammocks every year at least twice. My quilts are treated, my packs, my webbing, by tarp lines, and all my clothing except the skivvies. I've never seen any damage or premature wear on any of my high tech clothing or hammock materials. I use the Sawyer brand.

    I love Permethrin! It kills spiders and that's reason enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    I've been using it every season since May of 2007. My original hammock (Warbonnet ElDorado) is still going strong. It took the abuse of an AT almost-thru (GA-VT) and near constant application of Permethrin. I treat all of my hammocks every year at least twice. My quilts are treated, my packs, my webbing, by tarp lines, and all my clothing except the skivvies. I've never seen any damage or premature wear on any of my high tech clothing or hammock materials. I use the Sawyer brand.

    I love Permethrin! It kills spiders and that's reason enough for me.
    It has greatly extended my hiking season in the MS woods. I mean, you can just imagine the problems with various bugs in MS, especially since any given hike is not infrequently next to a swamp for at least a small part of the hike. I hate DEET ( but I hate mossy/tick bites worse). But with Permethrin treated clothing, the bugs really don't even come near me for the most part. And if I am concerned about exposed skin, I have a new BFF called Picaridin 20%. I even often use it with confidence when my clothing has not been treated in a while. I just spray it right on clothing as well as skin. The smell ( or lack of smell after ~ 20 mins) is no problem whatsoever. What a glorious combo these two gems make! Now hiking in MS warm months, it seems like MS is a bug free state. And that 3rd arm I have grown? It is actually very useful! It has been quite a while since I used any DEET.

    A couple of times I have slept in a net free hammock, once only a rock throw from the low and sluggish Sipsey River during a drought. It was Oct but the Mossies were still out. I can't remember what was treated with Permethrin, (maybe my pants?) or how long since they were sprayed with Sawyers. But I just sprayed my upper body skin and clothing (and hat) with Picaridin near sunset and again before bed time. No problems.
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
    I dunked one item at a time in the 5 gallon bucket, swished and wrung out, hung up to dry.
    Will share just a tidbit I remember from a UK veterinary site ... doctor giving advice online.

    She said not to hang the items up to dry, as that allows the solution to run off. She said to lay them out flat to dry, so that as the inert ingredients vaporize, it leaves the permethrin in place evenly over the fabric.

    For what it's worth.

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