Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 19
  1. #1
    New Member
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    47
    Images
    7

    How to untie knots

    Hey guys like an idiot I tied a knot in my amsteel hammock suspension....I should have kknown better, but I went ahead and hung in it and now that knot is hella tight. Any ideas for how to get it out, its just a basic overhand knot (i think thats what its called).

    Also, basically I accidently ordered the amsteele suspension instead of the whoopie slings. I think it is 1/8th amsteele, can that be set up using descending rings? I heard that it weakens the rope but in a pinch would I be ok to do that for a night you think? Luckily Arrowheadequipment is awesome and are rushing me the slings, my back up plan is the rings.

  2. #2
    Senior Member DemostiX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Like Lewis & Clark: Wintrin' o/t Columbia again: PDX
    Hammock
    Clark w 2QZQ mod,Tropical, NX;Nano
    Tarp
    Clark micro
    Insulation
    Major down
    Suspension
    7/64 SK75 +strap
    Posts
    2,325
    Images
    13
    You get knots out by working them. I pick, knitting needle or similar (eg marlin spike) will all do.

    The good news for you is that Amsteel is very tough, so it is not easy to damage the fiber while taking apart a knot. Yes, you are right that it is highly recommended that you splice rather knot Amsteel rope, but it does not suffer the weakness of of a kind of predecessor, kevlar, which was substantially weakened by small radius knots even after the knots were undone.

    If any of the above is wrong, a google search should turn up the error(s)

  3. #3
    Senior Member Wintec's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Hammock
    Planet Hammock
    Tarp
    Planet Hammock
    Posts
    144


    WINTEC TRADING (click here)

    Statistics show that people with the most birthdays live the longest

  4. #4
    samiam2714's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Incline Village NV
    Hammock
    Wbbb 1.1 double
    Tarp
    Superfly
    Insulation
    DIY UQ
    Suspension
    Straps
    Posts
    298
    Images
    6
    Go at the biggest loop in the knot and bend it the way it will move the most wiggle it if you can't do that with your hand do what ^ said and use a knitting needle or something similar. Keep wiggling at the different loops in the knot till you can get it out completely.
    I blame all grammatical errors on the iPhone

    See my Completed DIY's
    Karo Under Quilt Adventure

    DIY Mummy UQ (a how to)

    Full Time since Dec '11

  5. #5
    in it for the naps oldgringo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Checotah, Oklahoma
    Hammock
    Varies
    Tarp
    GargoyleGear Ogee
    Insulation
    UQ-varies w/season
    Suspension
    onrope buckle
    Posts
    5,982
    I use needle nose pliers to get a grip on the rope inside the knot, and then push on the knot with my thumb to loosen and open it. I try to be gentle, but I can't imagine that any of this, including pulling an overhand knot this tight, can be anything but bad for the rope. Funny how hanging on the stuff changes one's outlook on cordage.
    Dave

    http://www.uark.edu/misc/xtimber/rna/pattonsbluff.html

    It has always been my private conviction that any man who pits his intelligence against a fish and loses has it coming.
    John Steinbeck

  6. #6
    Senior Member Eliteoomph's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Montgomery, AL
    Hammock
    Clark NX-250, ENO Doublenest
    Tarp
    Clark Vertex Tarp
    Insulation
    Clark Pockets
    Suspension
    Whoopie Slings
    Posts
    223

  7. #7
    in it for the naps oldgringo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Checotah, Oklahoma
    Hammock
    Varies
    Tarp
    GargoyleGear Ogee
    Insulation
    UQ-varies w/season
    Suspension
    onrope buckle
    Posts
    5,982
    A marlinspike, if you have one, is probably the least damaging tool for picking a knot.

    Dave

    http://www.uark.edu/misc/xtimber/rna/pattonsbluff.html

    It has always been my private conviction that any man who pits his intelligence against a fish and loses has it coming.
    John Steinbeck

  8. #8
    GrizzlyAdams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Illinois
    Hammock
    DIY Bridge, v0.n, where n is large
    Tarp
    depends on season
    Insulation
    DIY UQ
    Posts
    4,628
    Images
    564
    Quote Originally Posted by aaronkmckay View Post
    Also, basically I accidently ordered the amsteele suspension instead of the whoopie slings. I think it is 1/8th amsteele, can that be set up using descending rings? I heard that it weakens the rope but in a pinch would I be ok to do that for a night you think? Luckily Arrowheadequipment is awesome and are rushing me the slings, my back up plan is the rings.
    I would avoid looping the cord through the rings the same way that you would loop straps. It does pinch, compression is the weakest link in Amsteel, but most importantly, there is no need to do that.

    A very simple knot secures the cord at (one) ring and comes undone with a yank. It is variation on the buntline hitch. The variation is that at the last step, rather hitching the working end, you hitch a loop (a.k.a. a bight). That leaves a tail hanging out of the buntline hitch that will release the hitch with a yank.

    Another simple knot that comes undone easily (but with a little more work) is the round turn with two half hitches
    Grizz
    (alias ProfessorHammock on youtube)

  9. #9
    GrizzlyAdams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Illinois
    Hammock
    DIY Bridge, v0.n, where n is large
    Tarp
    depends on season
    Insulation
    DIY UQ
    Posts
    4,628
    Images
    564
    Quote Originally Posted by aaronkmckay View Post
    Also, basically I accidently ordered the amsteele suspension instead of the whoopie slings. I think it is 1/8th amsteele, can that be set up using descending rings? I heard that it weakens the rope but in a pinch would I be ok to do that for a night you think? Luckily Arrowheadequipment is awesome and are rushing me the slings, my back up plan is the rings.
    I would avoid looping the cord through the rings the same way that you would loop straps. It does pinch, compression is the weakest link in Amsteel, but most importantly, there is no need to do that.

    A very simple knot secures the cord at (one) ring and comes undone with a yank. It is variation on the buntline hitch. The variation is that at Step 5 you fold the working end over to form a loop (a.k.a. a bight) and push the fold through Steps 6 and 7 rather than the end of the cord.That leaves a tail hanging out of the buntline hitch that will release the hitch with a yank.

    Another simple knot that comes undone easily (but with a little more work) is the round turn with two half hitches

    A little practice gets these knots into your hands muscle memory and cord becomes your friend, not an enemy.
    Grizz
    (alias ProfessorHammock on youtube)

  10. #10
    Senior Member NCPatrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Hammock
    WB Traveler
    Tarp
    Custom OES tarp
    Insulation
    JRB Down UQ/TQ
    Suspension
    Whoopie slings
    Posts
    9,041
    Images
    40
    On occasion I have had to break out the needle nosed pliers to get an unsuccessful or very old knot untied. That and patience have always worked for me.


    "Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
    - Mark Twain
    I go to nature to be soothed and healed, and to have my senses put in order.
    - John Burroughs

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •