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    Webbing loop knot

    I'm thinking about hanging a Hennessy using a clove hitch on the rope to hold a pair of descender rings then use a 1 in webbing strap with a loop in it around the tree, through a loop in one end and Garda Hitch through the rings. My question is what kind of knot to use for the loop? I don't feel like sewing one in for a trial.

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    Try a water knot. Here's how: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMfrskqn2AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeBait View Post
    Try a water knot. Here's how: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMfrskqn2AM
    I have never seen or used a water knot tied that way -- only this way:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_knot
    and
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyq1yHZWYdA

    The other way won't load the knot properly.

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    A simple overhand knot will suffice. (used it a lot when hanging from Mule Tape)

    If you're paranoid, use a double-overhand. Leave a long tail, just in case...
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    I am re-re-re-reading the original post trying to visualize the finished layout. I guess seeing "water knot" triggered a visualization of a large loop like this sling/runner http://www.rei.com/product/755451/me...mm-nylon-sling. I am now figuring out that you possibly just want a small loop on the end of the webbing. The way SmokeBait suggested would indeed be the way, but that is not a water knot. That is just an overhand loop (with a really long single tail).

    Please forgive me for my slight confusion.

    ninja post -- what JohnSawyer said.
    Last edited by texasmufflerman; 07-19-2011 at 00:19.

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    I've always thought the figure eight loop was the most commonly used method for creating a loop in webbing. About as easy as it gets too.
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    Loop size

    Quote Originally Posted by texasmufflerman View Post
    I am re-re-re-reading the original post trying to visualize the finished layout. I guess seeing "water knot" triggered a visualization of a large loop like this sling/runner http://www.rei.com/product/755451/me...mm-nylon-sling. I am now figuring out that you possibly just want a small loop on the end of the webbing. The way SmokeBait suggested would indeed be the way, but that is not a water knot. That is just an overhand loop (with a really long single tail).

    Please forgive me for my slight confusion.

    ninja post -- what JohnSawyer said.

    You are correct in that I only need a small loop suitable for threading the 1 in webbing through. If I like the end result I might go to a Dutch Clip to avoid threading through the loop.

    As far as I can tell from watching several video's and looking at diagrams the only difference between an overhand knot and a water knot is the direction the tails point in the end. If they are coming out opposite sides it makes a rounder loop. Several of the video's I found actually came out as an overhand loop once done. I think I am down to that or a figure 8 loop. I may never bother to sew in a loop.;-)

    For those wondering why - ring buckles close to hammock body and long straps so it's a fast up under the CRL tarp with all adjustments out of the rain. Easier than replacing the Hennessy ropes with whoopees and pinching not a problem. If I decide I like it I can shorten the ropes and add Dutch Clips.

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    From what I've read, the figure 8 is supposed to put less stress on the webbing than an overhand (you are doubling the webbing back on itself). It is also easier to untie if you should ever decide you want to remove you loop.
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    As a climber, and having trusted my life to both figure 8's and water knots, either or is completely fine. Webbing really isn't much different than rope of sorts (for this application at least, climbing is different) so any sort of loop knot would most likely work. The water knot is nice because it is clean when finished, but is a bit more difficult to untie after load than the figure 8. Properly tied, neither will drop you on your behind. I used a figure 8 tied in climbing webbing for about a year for hanging, because that's what I had on me, and that's the knowledge that I had. (These were pre-HF.net days.) Unless you are REALLY trying to save grams, you don't need to sew them ever if you don't want.

    Also, the two "different" water knots posted are identical in terms of knot structure, one was just a retraced knot, the other used a different piece of webbing. Both are safe for hammocking, and you will see UV degrade those straps much faster than wear from use hammocking.
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    After tieing a few Fig * and water knots... it turns out that when making a loop in webbing, the Fig 8 is really a "dirty" water knot. I know that in terms of 2 pieces of webbing this is not the case, but ease of use is ease of use.

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