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    Quote Originally Posted by KP View Post
    For anyone that doesn't want to wait for their turn with the video it's actually available for free on line. I hope that I'm not spoiling the fun but here is the link:

    http://www.iptv.org/video/detail.cfm...3_full_program
    Thanks for the link.
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    The grizzlies are on there way to bubbymans house

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    grizzly sighting!

    Grizzlies have come and are headed next to California!
    Interesting to learn on the VID that grizzlies once ranged into ol' Mexico. I knew they were hunted out of New Mexico in the 1800's with the coming of the dreaded two-legged Anglos, but hadn't known they were once in ol' Mexico.

    The flick raises many questions about judgment and actions taken/not taken by hikers and National Park Service. As employee of NPS, it was quite interesting to see how the park's attitude has evolved from one of extermination to cuddling/feeding to current status. Still, IMHO, a ways to go there.

    Here, we wrestle the black bear and we are so tied up in our own guilt and political correctness that we have difficulty making rational decisions. Case in point, Albuquerque is overrun with bears descending from the Sandias right now. There have been two previous seasons of good bear breeding (ample moisture and food) followed by this last winter of La Nina = negative moisture. So the younger bears are invading the city's outskirts for food. They've been kicked out by the bigger, older bears.

    Fish and Game is caught in the middle of a dilemna: protect the good citizens of ABQ, AND assuage the furor of animal lovers (of which I count myself a sometime member). Their solution is to round up these naughty bears and bring them south to our little chain of mountains, the Manzanos, and dump them here. Problem is, our scenario is the same as the Sandias. We've got too many bears for the food available this year.

    They bring them to us because we are more rural and we are fewer. It's impossible to improbable to take a hike in our Manzanos, which I do often, without a bear encounter, always benign so far. Makes me wonder, though, why we become the dumping ground for problem bears?

    Hunting is allowed but closely monitored and regulated. While many bears have been killed by automobiles, something like 87 have been killed by hunters this year. Just too many random thoughts after the movie. Hope ya'll don't mind my running on.
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    Jack Olsen was a great writer. Read Night of the Grizzlies if you haven't, and check out his other books too. I would not recommend Night of the Grizzlies, while camping in Glacier though.

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    Enjoyed the movie it was quite informative. I did not know that people actually would feed these Grizzlies. Was amazed also at how backpackers would just leave food and debris instead of taking it out with them. (Although when I did the bridge to nowhere it was pretty bad along the trail).
    It seems there were no set rules on disposal of food (or no enforcement).

    Thank you Book and MacEntyre for passing this great dvd on to us to see.

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    In 1967, Glacier National Park was hit by 28 fires from one lightning storm. The first fire crews were told not to be concerned about bears for the park had never had a bear related death. One terrible night changed all that. Black bears were routinely fed from cars so that dispatch had to adjust travel time because of roadside bear jams. Sows would teach their cubs how to beg at certain locations and would return to their favored location year after year.

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