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    Splicing 2.2 mm Zing-It to lengthen tarp ridgeline

    If I have a length of rope, and want to make it longer, is there a splice that would work for that? I'm sure this is somewhere on the forum but I'm not finding it.

    I recently made a Zing-It 2.2 mm single-rope ridgeline with Nite-Ize knotbone attached via fixed eye loop (locked brummel) on one end and Figure 9 on the other end attached via soft shackle prusik. The finished length is around 30 ft., but I wish I had made it 40 ft. since it barely spans the hanging points of my backyard hammock test area.

    It seems like it would be easy to splice an additional 10 feet on, if I knew the best way. I'm not swimming in Zing-it for experimentation so I'm reaching out to HF members for their opinion. I have an idea of what I think will work:

    Since the tarp ridgeline is not weight bearing I could just take six or seven inches of the old rope and splice it into the new rope, and bury same amount of new rope into the old Zing-It. Add a few locking stitches where the ropes meet for good measure and i'm done.

    However, I'm sure there is a more elegant and sturdier solution involving double locked brummels, but I can't quite visualize it. Keep in mind that the standing end of old rope is not available for a locked brummel 'cause it already has a knotbone connected via fixed-eye loop. I saw a thread somewhere about doing a locked brummel when the standing end is unavailable, but like I said, I'm having a hard time visualizing how one would do this when trying to splice two ropes together to make one.

    Thanks for the help!

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    Its called an "end for end" splice. In the vids below it is on larger line, so disregard the measurements. You can use 3" buries and remember to go a little long on the section you are burying the tail in. Also, there is alot of jargon in the vids that doesnt pertain to hammocks, but the process for the splice is the same.

    Here is how to do a regular end for end....



    A vid I did for a locking end for end....

    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    Thanks opie,
    Your video taught me a much needed technique.
    I needed that!


    Often, an end to end to join lines is required when time or material are not available, in the dark with wet cold hands.
    The Zeppelin (after the airship) works for me.

    Watermen use it for their traps and such, it is as easy to untie as the bowline wet and loaded. Unloaded the Zeppelin holds much better than a bowline.

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    It appears that the buries are approximately 65 rope diameters for this.

    So that would be about 6" for 2.2mm Zing-It, and 8" for 1/8" lines...

    Nice... Uses not a lot of line and is as strong as the original....
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    This is great, Opie. I spent an hour online trying to find the answer, and I thought the "end for end" splice was what I was looking for. However, the tutorials I found can't hold a light to your video. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapt View Post
    It appears that the buries are approximately 65 rope diameters for this.

    So that would be about 6" for 2.2mm Zing-It, and 8" for 1/8" lines...

    Nice... Uses not a lot of line and is as strong as the original....
    Going with the proper bury lengths is important on lines supporting weight, but on tarp lines and such you can shorten the buries significantly. Especially if you lock the splices using a brummel rather than stitching.

    Quote Originally Posted by SilvrSurfr View Post
    This is great, Opie. I spent an hour online trying to find the answer, and I thought the "end for end" splice was what I was looking for. However, the tutorials I found can't hold a light to your video. Thanks again!
    Glad they helped!!
    I am not a gram weenie. , But Im starting to see the merits!!!

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    If you wanted to do this as a temporary extension, what would be the best approach?

    Currently, I would probably tie a bowline on each piece on the basis that I just might be able to untie them later, but I guess there may be a better solution.

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    The splices are not permanent in that they can be removed and the line will be as it was. But they do require splicing tools of some fashion.

    Tying a bowline will weaken the lines the knot derating amount. Works fine but is much less elegant than the splices...
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