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    I'll give up my down the day I see ducks flying around wearing little insultex vests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutandBack View Post
    Your argument is pad vs UQ

    I'm stating that multiple layers of IX used as a pad is a better choice over stiffer WW type CCF's for reasons I've already stated above.
    Quote Originally Posted by G.L.P. View Post
    and as i stated 8+ layers of IX will not pack down smaller then a pad... and will weight more then most pads


    you also stated it will be more flexible this may be true but your off about the rest...
    i just went down and got IX out of my fabric bin i made a 8 layer pad 8inch wide by 36inch long and at that sizes it packs down the same size as a 1L Nalgene bottle .... and thats only a fraction of a size of the one he plans to make .... it's going to be a big bulky pad when it's done
    the point is IX works best when you let "Air gaps" catch hot air in between layers....
    so your saying a big bulky pad made out of IX is better then a UQ made out of 1/3 the IX and 1/3 the weight and packs down 1/3 the size ?
    to me thats not brilliant it's a step back

    I will also add ... thing of the cost as well
    think 4 yards to make a UQ... about Dbl that to make a pad so he made a $50 pad that packs down no smaller then a $6 wallyworld pad and weights more
    Not putting Tinny down, but: wouldn't the $6 WM pad also be much warmer than 50F? Now if he comes up with a 2 or 3 layer IX pad which is warm into the 30s or 40s( like an IX UQ ), then he may be onto something. Though more expensive, maybe more flexible and more comfy than CCF. But 6 layers for ~50F? Maybe not so much, considering the weight, bulk and $. I'm surprised this has not quickly occurred to him. That 6 layers of IX should make an awfully warm UQ if designed right, don't you think? TeeDee and TiredFeet have got 11F out of their 3 layers of IX UQ(plus nylon shells and all layers dif cut).

    But maybe he will come up with something brilliant and new while playing around with the IX.
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
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    Think, it's what's for dinner

    I've been hammocking for the past 2 years, I've never used an underquilt, and up to the point where I watched Tinny's post I thought I was doing it wrong. I just don't have the extra funds for one, nor the skills or equipment to create one on my own. I have the BA air core pad in a 15* BA bag, and I bring along a 40* LaFuma down bag (which I've had for years) as added top insulation (just in case). Granted, I don't go out in sub-zero temps, but I've gone down below freezing and been fine (ok, maybe some cold feet, but thanks to the forums I have a lot of remedies for that).

    My point being that, aside from any personal disagreement with his attitude, it made me re-think my "need" for a UQ. If it's working for me so far, why do I need to change it? I like reading the posts and watching the vids because they spark my interests, and make me think about stuff from other people's perspectives; it's one of the reasons I recently joined the forums.

    I will look forward to reading / watching many more, even those I might disagree with . And I encourage everyone to think, as Tinny suggests in his video.

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    Underquilts are relatively new. I don't think I read about them in Speer's book. There it was all about the pad and a Walmart pad is all I've used so far. However the pad is bulky, though it rolls and ties on easy enough, and it isn't nearly as comfortable as the hammock is without it. Down Underquilts are as comfortable as the hammock normally is, warmer then the pad, less condensation then a pad AND pack down to next to nothing. If those factors are important enough for you then the cost is worth it.

    Then again, what's an underquilt worth, a dollar a day for a year? Put 10 bucks a paycheck away and you'll have one paid for before a year gos by. You'll have one by next fall and extend next years hanging.

    Next, you'll want to buy a down overquilt. Same thing as using a standard sleeping bag BUT because it's down, it packs down to nothing, weighs less decreasing your pack load again.


    But the quilts are recent and people have used pads for years and will continue to use them as they are cheap. Nothing has made walking more expensive as light weight backpacking. Probably a bunch less then all those un-used, rear end excercising tennis shoes that are hanging out in stylish peoples closets right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    Not putting Tinny down, but: wouldn't the $6 WM pad also be much warmer than 50F? Now if he comes up with a 2 or 3 layer IX pad which is warm into the 30s or 40s( like an IX UQ ), then he may be onto something. Though more expensive, maybe more flexible and more comfy than CCF. But 6 layers for ~50F? Maybe not so much, considering the weight, bulk and $. I'm surprised this has not quickly occurred to him. That 6 layers of IX should make an awfully warm UQ if designed right, don't you think? TeeDee and TiredFeet have got 11F out of their 3 layers of IX UQ(plus nylon shells and all layers dif cut).

    But maybe he will come up with something brilliant and new while playing around with the IX.
    We have folks here looking at 1/8 in pads for winter below zero. I have slept on walmart CCF pads down to freezing. We use the same material for sit pads when cross country skiing. I think it will work as well as the IX, cost less and be more durable. YMMV.

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    Nothing negative tward Tinny but let him learn on his own. He'll find out the hard way that we do the things we do because of trial and error.
    I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. - E. B. White (1899 - 1985)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veto 65 View Post
    Nothing negative tward Tinny but let him learn on his own. He'll find out the hard way that we do the things we do because of trial and error.
    At home we call this "the law of natural consequences"... nothing teaches like experience.


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    "Good judgement comes from Experience.
    Experience? well, that comes from Bad Judgement.."

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    I have never used Insultex.

    But I have used 1/8" minicel in my WBBB 1.7 dbl in the summer when temps dropped into the low 60s and it felt fine. A 48" long pad rolls up into the size of a pint bottle, and works as a sit pad.

    But when the temps drop, I do not believe that ANYTHING feels as toasty and enveloping as a down UQ. I loves being wrapped in goosey goodness! Maybe Tinney will get to try a good UQ and be converted......

    Jim

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