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    Idea for all-in-one hammock/shelter. Would it work?

    This is something I was pondering last spring during my long days of hiking in silence on the Israel Trail. I know there are all-in-one hammock setups already (combined hammock, bugnet and tarp) but none really qualify as "ultralight." I figure weight can be reduced by having the hammock be of the smallest size and lightest material that the user's size and weight permit (in my case, 5'9", 140 pounds so I can be comfy in quite a small hammock), by reducing the size of the tarp, and by reducing the amount of bug net that is present.

    So, start with a basic gathered-end single-layer hammock. Around the edges (and I'm not sure exactly how this would work on the ends) sew about a foot-wide strip of bug mesh - along one side have a zipper between hammock and net to allow entry. The top of that strip of bug mesh would be attached to a smallish silnylon tarp - enough to cover the hammock from a storm, and provide a minimal amount of "porch" space in lighter/non-windy rain. A diamond or rectangular shape could do - or maybe even a diamond shape on one side and rectangular on the other, to keep weight low while allowing for the aforesaid porch. The tarp would be relatively low and close to the hammock, so it wouldn't have to be quite as big to get everything covered.

    Everything is one piece, and if wrapped up the right way, the tarp could then be deployed first and then have the hammock released from it to just drop down, at which point you'd put up your tree straps and take the whoopie slings that are attached to the hammock (since nobody but gram counters would use this setup, I am assuming whoopies) and hook them up. Voila, the hammock is hanging and ready to go.

    My mechanical aptitude is definitely not the best, which is why I'm sure there are things I haven't thought of that would pose problems in either making or using this contraption - or even problems in my basic conception of it. I want to hear if you can spot any of those, or your ideas of how/if this would work.

    The first thing that comes to mind is that, since the bug netting would be sewn to the silnylon tarp, that would compromise the waterproof-ness of it. Would seam-sealing be enough to rememdy that or would you need to put additional strips of silnylon on and waterproof THOSE seams somehow?

    There are also some obvious drawbacks, the first one I can think of being that having the tarp integrated and low means you always have to have it up, and it blocks the view pretty much. Same with the bug net - your view from the hammock is definitely diminished and distorted by tarp and mesh. This is why I assume nobody but weight-fiend backpackers would consider using a setup like this. But I think I might, for backpacking or bike trips only obviously, if I could make something like it.

    So - your thoughts?

    Also, I wish I could draw to save my life so I could sketch up an idea of how this would look, but I can't. If my description isn't clear, I can try to clarify.

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    I like the idea. It might be a challenge packing it up wet.

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    As for that, I was envisioning balling up the hammock into a stuff sack and then rolling that up in the tarp. This would ensure that, at least, only the tarp got wet.

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    Been thinking about this . . . I am reminded of the tarp-sag issue I experienced when I would attach my tarp ridgeline to my hammock suspension. When I got in the hammock everything sagged and my tie-out would be loose.

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    Last edited by Optimus; 11-30-2011 at 15:35. Reason: Noticed something

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    If I'm picturing it right, you'd have to use a pad for insultation...UQs would be too vulnerable.

    Definitely interested in seeing a prototype?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Been thinking about this . . . I am reminded of the tarp-sag issue I experienced when I would attach my tarp ridgeline to my hammock suspension. When I got in the hammock everything sagged and my tie-out would be loose.

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    To fix the tarp sag when using one suspension set make the tarp ridgeline load bearing, with the hammock dropping down outside the ends of the tarp. All of my setups are done that way. It tightens the tarp when you get into the hammock.

    Netting wise you would probably be best using the style where the top is shock cord with a flap, forget who came up with it though.

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    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=32421

    That is one of the old threads on that suspension type.

    insulation wise as was said pad or fully synthetic that can get wet but not get clammy from lack of breathability, probably best to just keep insulation seperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbphilly View Post
    As for that, I was envisioning balling up the hammock into a stuff sack and then rolling that up in the tarp. This would ensure that, at least, only the tarp got wet.
    Or just use a larger size snakeskin...
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    I wonder how much you would save over a Hennessy hyperlite modified with whoopies.

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