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    Why use toggles?

    Excuse me if this has been hashed out before, but my feeble attempts at searching resulted in lots of info, but no answer to my direct question...

    If you have whoopies in your suspension, why do you also need toggles? I changed my son's HH to whoopies and tree hugger. We made the whoopies, so one end was looped into the hammock and the other end was looped through tree hugger. He wraps the tree huggers, fixes them with Dutch clips, adjusts the two whoopies and is done.

    I've ordered my new BB single and plan on converting it in the same fashion, but now that we've been hanging a little longer, I've seen more, and wonder what I'm missing.

    Help!

    Thanks.

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    toggles is just another suspension system

    Take a whoopie with a fixed eye and larks head that to your hammock.
    Then take a tree hugger and put a marlin spike hitch with a toggle and place the adjustable end of whoopie around the knot/toggle.
    It's a fast method for some and its a pain in the butt for others trying to keep up with the toggle.

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    For me, it just allows for more adjustability. Plus I like making that knot.
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    The Weezer's Dad,

    Your setup sounds very workable but may offer less flexibility when your trees are closer than you might ordinarily choose. Not that you couldn't find some work around but the marlin spike hitch arrangement just makes this sort of thing very easy to adjust to.

    David

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    As Bannerstone pointed out, you can make an MSH anywhere on the webbing so if you have close trees you can just make the MSH clost to the tree, put your whoopie sling around it and adjust. Its also good for people who like to eliminate hardware so they can just use a trail stick.

    Amsteel directly on the webbing may in the long run wear the webbing. Some people use things like rubber tubing to prevent wear.
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    Adjusting the whoopie with even the hammock weight on it may prematurely abraid the tree hugger and speed up failure. Make sure you check your equipment before you put your butt in it or you may end up landing on the floor.
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    As stated, it is all about flexibility. The size of the trees determine how much webbing is needed to go around it. The toggle lets you include only the amount of webbing which is actually needed in each setup and the remainder can just hang loose. Without the toggle, you would have use that extra in your suspension line potentially causing you to need some very long spans to use it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bannerstone View Post
    The Weezer's Dad,

    Your setup sounds very workable but may offer less flexibility when your trees are closer than you might ordinarily choose. Not that you couldn't find some work around but the marlin spike hitch arrangement just makes this sort of thing very easy to adjust to.

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    I am so glad someone asked this and there is a plethora of reasons
    that never even occurred to me. I thought it would just be easier for me to lose
    a piece of gear and think I'm brilliant for using a stick out in the woods!!

    ty

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    I just recently switched over to whoopies on my HH ED, and my biggest concern was the possibility of the whoopie coming over/off of the knot and/or having the toggle fall out of the knot. I toss and turn a lot, and so there's a good bit of bouncing on the suspension.

    My solution was what Towellie suggested...replace the toggles with climbing grade 'biners. Do the MSH knot as usual, but run the biner through the knot in place of the toggle. No chance that it can fall out, and you simply hook the whoopie directly onto the biner. Quick, easy, no fuss, no stress.

    And...you still retain two points of adjustability on either end...the whoopie and the position of the MSH knot.

    Hard to lose the biner...it just clips to your pack when it's not on your suspension, or it can stay attached to the whoopie.

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