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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    In snow I just take say a 1 meter long dead branch, tie the guy line to the middle and bury it in snow. It won't come out unless I want it to.

    No need to haul stakes.
    Try a wood stake in rocky or frozen ground. The rocky part you may be able to avoid but If its frozen its all frozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chimpac View Post
    Try a wood stake in rocky or frozen ground. The rocky part you may be able to avoid but If its frozen its all frozen.
    I live at 68*N. I think I know about frozen ground. When it's frozen here it's covered in ice and pegs are useless no matter what they are made from. So I tie off on trees, bushes, saplings, stones whatever is at hand. I have never needed pegs to get a tarp up.

    As for rocky ground. If the ground is rocky there are stones. Also in snow you don't use it as a stake, that you drive into the ground. I just lay it flat on the ground and cover it with snow. That will hold it plenty good enough if you use a meter or more length of it. I used it in Blizzard conditions and gale force winds last weekend. Held nicely.

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    Quote Rune. I live at 68*N. I think I know about frozen ground. When it's frozen here it's covered in ice and pegs are useless no matter what they are made from. As for rocky ground. If the ground is rocky there are stones. Also in snow you don't use it as a stake, that you drive into the ground. I just lay it flat on the ground and cover it with snow. That will hold it plenty good enough if you use a meter or more length of it. I used it in Blizzard conditions and gale force winds last weekend. Held nicely.. quote

    The ring nails I have mentioned and use work very well in concrete hard frozen ground and hold well in the ice of a lake. I use the same nails in snow but I do not nail to the ground that might be a meter below the snow surface.
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    Ionly use Groundhog's as well.

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    Some more great info, thanks!

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    Very good read Pan
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    Quote Originally Posted by chimpac View Post
    Try a wood stake in rocky or frozen ground. The rocky part you may be able to avoid but If its frozen its all frozen.
    Frozen is easier that rocky, I freeze the stick to the ground and tie off to it. easy peasy. But mostly I find other trees, etc to tie off to already.

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    Tarp pegs

    I use 1/4 aluminum round stock bent into a 8" tent spike. Very DIY. Our ground is always soft. Price????????? FREE.
    The best for me. HYOH

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    ALMOST ALL situations have been covered

    the solutions, to those, have been enumerated

    i found a situation where my bag of stakes didn't have anything that could be driven to the surface of MOTHER EARTH, even w/ the backside of a hefty hatchet

    the hatchet just bounced back at my face

    there weren't ANY rocks or limbs to tie off to

    the breeze was fresh & my stuff didn't want to stay put

    KEY WEST, FLORIDA

    that piece of earth is SOLID CORAL and laughs at normal tent stakes

    when i showed up at the campground office, the lady/manager just laughed at ME

    DUH!!!

    they had a 100# box of 12" GALVANIZED BRIDGE NAILS which they sell for a meezly $1.19/ea

    and since i bought a hand full of them, the lady loaned me the campground's 5# hammer to make insertion process easier

    i still keep a few in my m/c camping kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by chimpac View Post
    Quote Rune. I live at 68*N. I think I know about frozen ground. When it's frozen here it's covered in ice and pegs are useless no matter what they are made from. As for rocky ground. If the ground is rocky there are stones. Also in snow you don't use it as a stake, that you drive into the ground. I just lay it flat on the ground and cover it with snow. That will hold it plenty good enough if you use a meter or more length of it. I used it in Blizzard conditions and gale force winds last weekend. Held nicely.. quote

    The ring nails I have mentioned and use work very well in concrete hard frozen ground and hold well in the ice of a lake. I use the same nails in snow but I do not nail to the ground that might be a meter below the snow surface.

    Well, snow is mostly the problem. This year we got it before the ground froze. Then we had rain and then a freeze that lasted for a couple of months, before we had a new thaw and rain, and then it froze again. Covering the ground witha 20 cm thick layer of solid ice. Which now have your meter of snow on top of it. Much easier to tie off to trees, saplings and rocks, and where none is at hand, bury a branch in the snow and tie off to that. Many times I've used my skis and skipoles.

    In the summer I just make one or two on the spot for that one corner that has nthing within reach.

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