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    Whipping for suspension and ridgeline attatchment

    After looking at Jeff's whipping tutorial (http://tothewoods.net/HomemadeHammock2.html), I came up with an idea that will surely not work! But, I thought I would throw it out there...

    My idea is to whip the hammock, and leave enough rope coming out of each side of the hammock to use one end to tie off to ring buckles, and the other to form a loop for a removable ridgeline. Can anyone see any major malfunctions with this idea? Thank you for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalin View Post
    After looking at Jeff's whipping tutorial (http://tothewoods.net/HomemadeHammock2.html), I came up with an idea that will surely not work! But, I thought I would throw it out there...

    My idea is to whip the hammock, and leave enough rope coming out of each side of the hammock to use one end to tie off to ring buckles, and the other to form a loop for a removable ridgeline. Can anyone see any major malfunctions with this idea? Thank you for your help!
    in the DIY hammock I've been playing with of late, I made a loop of Vectran 12 which I used to hold the folds with a prussik knot, with the "free" loop used to connect to the biner. The prussik seemed to tighten up and hold the folds even after leaving the hammock.

    I later did a more traditional whipping...why?...I dunno, perhaps bowing to the wisdom of the ages. But my limited experience suggests your idea can be made to work.

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    I agree that it could be made to work. However, I fail to see a benefit to that approach other than an aesthetic one; and there is one potential downside.

    What happens if one part of your cording fails? Say you somehow cut/broke the length going from the whipping to the rings. You might be in danger of also losing (or at least having to also replace) not just that length, but also the whipping and ridge loop. If they failed and were individual cords, then you only replace the failed piece of cord, not redo that whole end of your hammock.

    Maybe I'm just being thick, though. Is there a benefit that I'm not grasping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angrysparrow View Post
    What happens if one part of your cording fails? Say you somehow cut/broke the length going from the whipping to the rings. You might be in danger of also losing (or at least having to also replace) not just that length, but also the whipping and ridge loop. If they failed and were individual cords, then you only replace the failed piece of cord, not redo that whole end of your hammock.
    Technically, if something fails, I am likely to rip a large hole in the hammock bed when I hit the ground! But you make a good point here. Putting all the eggs in one basket means if something fails, you have to redo everything.

    However, I don't think it would be that hard to put humpty back together. If you are tying an alpine loop (http://www.animatedknots.com/alpinebutterfly/index.php) you can just put your hand on the whipping, and use that as a guide as to where your loop will be. The location of the whipping would have to be the same, along with the number of wraps.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrysparrow View Post
    Maybe I'm just being thick, though. Is there a benefit that I'm not grasping?
    I thought it looks good, reminds me of the through the whipping ridgeline that I liked from my diy HH. I also like the idea of everything being together instead of independent. Reason? I don't know! Just something I thought of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalin View Post
    I also like the idea of everything being together instead of independent.
    Fair enough.
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    Well, thanks for the input, fellas! I guess the way to settle this is the old "trust fall." I will whip up my test hammock, and give it a go sometime soon!

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    I just thought of something...

    Could I get a larger diameter rope to use for this, and splice it at both ends? Would the ring/buckle still function okay?

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    Question Help!

    The reason I want to do this now is I think it would look nice to have the two spliced loops coming from the whipping. I really need your input, guys! Any thoughs you have will be appriciated!

    I thought yet another question:

    I would like to make the ridgeline removable. However, if the ridgeline is removed, the tree end will be pulling the loops inside the whipping towards the tree. Is it possible that the whipping could be pulled apart under that force from one side?

    Also, from above, if I spliced the end of the rope for the support, will the ring/buckle system still work okay?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalin View Post
    The reason I want to do this now is I think it would look nice to have the two spliced loops coming from the whipping. I really need your input, guys! Any thoughs you have will be appriciated!

    I thought yet another question:

    I would like to make the ridgeline removable. However, if the ridgeline is removed, the tree end will be pulling the loops inside the whipping towards the tree. Is it possible that the whipping could be pulled apart under that force from one side?

    Also, from above, if I spliced the end of the rope for the support, will the ring/buckle system still work okay?

    Thanks!
    From the point of view of attaching the loop to the ring or cinch buckle, if the loop is spliced then to get a prussik on the hardware you'll need to attach the hardware before whipping, and to change it out you'll have to undo the whipping. But sure, so long as the spliced loop is big enough you should have no problem.

    As for the question about the ridgeline, I can't say. Prussiks are usually used in way that both ends coming out of the knot are under tension. But I bet it would be easy to test with some cord before commiting to the design.

    just my $0.05

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    From the point of view of attaching the loop to the ring or cinch buckle, if the loop is spliced then to get a prussik on the hardware you'll need to attach the hardware before whipping, and to change it out you'll have to undo the whipping. But sure, so long as the spliced loop is big enough you should have no problem.
    I am trying to visualize this in my head...

    So, you are saying I could put a prussik on the hardware near the end of the rope, then take the end of the rope and use it to splice into itself? This would effectively create the "both ends" you describe below, right?

    I was actually asking about just running the rope around the hardware once, and then splice. Basically a spliced loop around the rings. Is there a problem with the rope not cinching up to the rings? What about for the trucker's hitch or SLS that use one ring instead of two? (Forgive my ignorance, please!)

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    As for the question about the ridgeline, I can't say. Prussiks are usually used in way that both ends coming out of the knot are under tension. But I bet it would be easy to test with some cord before commiting to the design.
    Another (similar) question is would the ridgeline keep the same effect from happening? The force on the ridgeline is about 1/2 that of the supports that would be on the other side of the whipping, so theoretically, it could cause the loop to pull out on the support side. However, my alternate theory is that the ridgeline is going to keep those loops from pulling out by staying where it is, with equal force being distributed on both sides of the hammock... (I don't mind a permanent ridgeline!)

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