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    Dutch Clips with All in one Whoopies

    The Dutch Clip was designed to clip a strap back onto itself. If I have an all in one setup were I need to clip onto the Whoopie line rather than the strap, will that be problematic? Has anyone done that for a length of time? Areas that I am thinking about are clip rotation, line fraying over time, and lack of friction to keep the hugger in place on the tree when not under tension.
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    I think I found the answer on JRB's web site. No, not recommended. And an example of why not @ here: http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=27444

    In a nutshell: the concentrated load *may* put too much pressure on the clip.

    If there is an update to this thinking, especially for the redesigned clips, please let me know.
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    The pic above is the old design .. I used Dutch's clip 16 nights in a row in every configuration .. and am currently using them on my set-up out back of my house .. they've been up a month .. I have yet to have a problem .. and I push my gear to the limits ...
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    I've used the clips directly on the whoopie in a pinch (large trees), and felt perfectly safe. Just made sure the whoopie had very little perpendicular pressure on it.

    I would think the warning is due to either the edge of the clip (90 degree, meant for webbing), or that under load the whoopie cord has to bear 100% of the elasticity, where as with the cord through a fixed loop the strain is shared.

    Would rounding off the corner on one side of the clip matter? You could use it as an "u" w/ webbing (the little claw helps keep webbing quite secure), with the current edge against the webbing. Flip it upside down to a "n" and the rounded edge would be in contact w/ the whoopie. Perhaps even a slight scallop in the edge to further secure the whoopie..

    Actually thought of a third reason it's not recommended, and that's the danger that the whoopie would come lose or fall out of the clip while the hammock was unloaded. Again, maybe a scallop would help?

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    Dutch clips are meant for webbing only. Dutch Biners and Whoopie Hooks are meant or Amsteel to Amsteel connection.
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    I'm confused (as usual), are you using straps around the tree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD777 View Post
    I'm confused (as usual), are you using straps around the tree?
    Yes, straps around the tree.

    See the following video:
    http://youtu.be/0WThTdaFX_I

    And other post:
    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=49729

    Basically I was comparing the Dutch clip to a Dutch Whoopie Hook on a chain. , IMO, the Dutch Whoopie Hook on Chain seems to win overall in situational flexibility, pack size, and weight.
    Last edited by SnoreMachine; 04-08-2012 at 19:01. Reason: for Clarity
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnoreMachine View Post
    Basically I was comparing the Dutch clip to a Dutch Whoopie clip on a chain (what I've been affectionately calling a universal Dutch clip)
    Every single part of that will create confusion. There exist Dutch Clips, Dutch Hooks, Whoopie Hooks, and Dutch Biners and they're all hard enough to keep track of without informal renaming. Just sayin...

    It seems Dutch's product names are coming back to bite.
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    Sorry. Edited Whoopie Clips to hook and fixed naming convention, and added references. Hope it reads better. My fault not Dutch's. Let me know if more is needed or feel free to delete. Thanks for the feedback.
    Last edited by SnoreMachine; 04-08-2012 at 18:04. Reason: Got to a real computer and not using tapatalk to post
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    I use several sets of the old style Dutch hooks with out any problems. I am using them with webbing from several different sources and different thickness. I did sew the webbing loop closed as recommended. When Dutch saw me using them at a hang he offered to swap them out for the new version but I declined his offer as I have not had any problems with them.
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