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    My short answer is that it's so close I don't think about it one way or the other.

    If I'm going solo then my hammock is lighter. If I'm going with someone else and sharing a tent then no, it's not always lighter to use a hammock. But on the other if I'm in a tent I take a heavier more comfortable pad so that adds weight to the equation.

    Even in the instances where using a tent would be lighter carrying a extra few ounces is worth the added comfort to take a hammock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
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    "Going to ground" is treated as this 'dare not speak of' sort of thing around here, in the same manner that people try to rename sewing machines as a 'thread injector' to fit in with the crowd and feel better about something. It's a bit ridiculous, and there's entirely too much of an attempt at justifying things around here that really shouldn't be an issue. It's like the kid shouting at others and trying to prove his superiority, when it's just a false sense of confidence masking self doubt.

    It's just a hammock, folks. You're overcomplicating it.

    There are some places where being in a hammock really doesn't bother me all that much............................
    Welcome to HF Kestrel! But I think you are reading way too much "serious" into threads on HF. Maybe occasionally some one is as you describe. But most of the folks here are also avid backpackers, and will not hesitate to go to ground when the situation requires it. What you are seeing with references to that which we "dare not speak of" and the "sin" of going to ground or men using "thread injectors" are simply - IMO - running jokes. But "false sense of confidence masking self doubt."? Come on, lighten up( pun intended!).

    Then again, maybe I'm the one reading too much "serious" into your post? Maybe I need to lighten up?

    Nice pic, BTW!
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    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
    Romans 8:18,21-22

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    Quote Originally Posted by dejoha View Post
    I'm often intrigued with ultralight backpacking and those who take mega-long-distance trips with naut but a basic tarp, etc. But, it also doesn't take me long to reconsider. I'm like Fagin from the musical, "Oliver!" when he sings, "I'm reviewing the situation......I think I'd better think it out again."
    ......
    Though he might not have been a hanger, Fagin still had a lot of wisdom.
    Like:
    "Why should we
    break our backs
    foolishly, paying tax?
    Better get some untaxed income
    Get out and pick a pocket or two, boys
    Get out and pick a pocket or two!"
    ( or something close to that! )
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
    Romans 8:18,21-22

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    I converted to hanging in 2006, after following threads on hammocks on that other site, and the yahoo group. I was intrigued at first, and really not a believer, until I bought my first hammock, an Eagles Nest, and tried it out in my backyard. I was a "ground dweller" since Boy Scouts, and my trips were spent trying to re-adjust my back and overdosing on Advil, after a un-restful sleep in my Shires tent. The enjoyment of backpacking was losing the joy, because of my back issues. Hanging changed all that. My first set of hammock gear (hammock, tarp, pads, sleeping bag) was heavier, but I took the weight penalty in the name of comfort and renewed enjoyment of backpacking.

    Fast forward six years later, I've tweeked and customized and updated to lighter gear, so my penalty has been minimized. Bottom line is that hanging has extended my lifespan of backpacking, and my back is grateful for it.

    Like the majority, I hang for comfort. Not to be a snob, or be better than those who tent. It's my preference.

    Dejoha hit the nail on the proverbial head. This isn't worth much argument and there really isn't a contest between hammocks and tents. HYOH and enjoy what works for you.

    But, in retrospect, I never thought that I would ever not pack my Jet-Boil and canisters, in lieu of a sub-ounce alky stove and bottle of Heet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkwind View Post
    I didn't choose my hammock over a tent for weight issues...it was for comfort. My last camping trip with a tent years back was in the Attitash, NH area with my kids and our 4-H group. I was so darn sore from a couple days of sleeping on the ground that I jumped on the hammock idea when my hiking buddy decided she couldn't stand the ground any longer either.

    We were just starting to head out on overnight backpacking trips with our families grown and gone. I was going to use my middle son's single person dome tent, but being tall(ish) I always had to 'scrunch up' in the darn thing. I got a chance to try out Gypsy's hammock and was 'sold'. A couple months later Hennessy ran a sale and I bought my hammock, haven't looked back since! I'm still tweaking my gear...but for those of us that are avid outdoors folk that is just a 'given'!

    When folks ask me why a hammock over a tent I tell them: "My back is much, much happier." If they bring up the weight in the discussion I tell them that I would rather carry a little bit more and be comfortable.
    In our younger days, my wife used to go backpacking with me. But in recent years, the only way she will go is if I tow an RV for her to sleep in. I mostly sleep outside in the hammock. I much prefer that to the comfort of the bed in the RV.

    But about 2 years ago, whenever I posted the thread about pushing my Yeti UQ with just one 2.5 oz/sq.yd of CS into the 40s, our grandson wanted us to take him camping in his new tent. So Grandma volunteered to sleep with him in his tent, while I was 10 ft away in my WBBB. She used my heavy Thermarest Camprest while the Grandson was on a lighter TR inflatable pad. ( I have never been able to talk her into trying a hammock )

    Well the Grandson said "best camping trip ever!". My wife said it was one of the most miserable nights sleep she has ever had. With very little sleep due to waking up so frequently to change positions. She was miserable, plus exhausted the next day. Though she did say that she finally figured out about 4 or 5 AM that she was more comfortable after she let some air out, guess that gave her more cushioning. Meantime, they both had to force me out of the hammock well after sunrise for breakfast, because I was sleeping so deeply.

    I have never stopped to figure out if the weight of that tent plus pads divided by 2 people was lighter than my set up divided by one. But if mine was heavier, it was worth every oz.
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
    Romans 8:18,21-22

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    I have never stopped to figure out if the weight of that tent plus pads divided by 2 people was lighter than my set up divided by one. But if mine was heavier, it was worth every oz.
    Exactly! IMO, a couple of ounces in weight penalty is still lighter than the heavier back pain that I used to suffer.........
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    I enjoyed your link and the thread both Dejoha. Both have made me chuckle. My backpacking buddy refuses to even hop in my hammock. Maybe, like Calvin, he tends to be too swept up in shiny corporate logos. I'm definitely the Hobbes of the duo.

    Our gear wars to cut weight have traced back to the winter of '09, and in our most recent border skirmish I spent less than $20 on a GTUL and he spent close to $300 on a Big Agnes Fly Creek tent. It's a sweet tent...but I walked way from that battle a little less bloodied up!

    As someone who loves to learn something new everyday, I did learn about these DutchWare Stingerz over on Dejohas site. Now THAT is what I'm interested in!!!
    ...if he could fit a shiny corporate logo on them, maybe my buddy would buy a set
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    Hammocks are lighter but with anything in order to go lighter you normally have to spend more $$$. However I would rather spend more and sleep better than spend less and not sleep.
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    The 1st rule of hiking is, nobody talks about... no... that's fight club... 1st rule of hiking is hike your own hike. I like sleeping in a hammock, I like trying to minimize my back weight. If you want to save weight by sleeping under a small tarp with 5 other hikers and piling up leaves instead of using a pad, good for you. I won't come to your site looking for a fight... a laugh maybe. I'm a HF addict because I like the company and I get great ideas on how to improve my chosen setup.

    Everyone has given great answers. If someone is interested in hanging, this is the place to be. I lurked here for a while observing the inmates and decided to give it a try because it seemed like the best answer for me. Unlike the fanatics here though, I only visit HF 10 to 12 times a day. Some folks get so carried away.

    BTW, my hammock/tarp/quilts system is 2.8 pounds including lines, clips, stuff sacks, labels and accumulated trail dirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicineMan View Post
    Kestrel- the photo, I'm guessing either Max's Patch or Big Bald ???

    Lil Ricky- last weekend on the Smokies paddle trip my first night=10 hours of sleep. Second=8 hours.
    The most I get on a typical work day=5
    Not hard math to do at all
    Neither! Near one of the tallest places in NC, taken near sunrise. Not on the map. 'Fraid I cannot disclose any more information than that on a public forum. It's like Fight Club, you know?



    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    Welcome to HF Kestrel! But I think you are reading way too much "serious" into threads on HF. Maybe occasionally some one is as you describe. But most of the folks here are also avid backpackers, and will not hesitate to go to ground when the situation requires it. What you are seeing with references to that which we "dare not speak of" and the "sin" of going to ground or men using "thread injectors" are simply - IMO - running jokes. But "false sense of confidence masking self doubt."? Come on, lighten up( pun intended!).

    Then again, maybe I'm the one reading too much "serious" into your post? Maybe I need to lighten up?

    Nice pic, BTW!
    I appreciate the welcome comment. I've gotten a lot of good information from these forums thus far, but there was definitely some 'seriousness' to my post. There seems to be somewhat of a smugness in regards to hammocks over other methods, certain products versus others, and so on. I do appreciate that hammocks have given some folks a good reason to get outside and into the outdoors, but if those folks weren't already doing that before hand... Ehh... It just seems a bit like people buying into the hype just to have a hobby to follow.

    I'm also an avid motorcyclist, and have read hundreds of posts from folks looking to 'upgrade' their experience, by purchasing a newer or different model motorcycling, adding countless aftermarket parts, and so on. The user assumes that the purchasing or changes will somehow revolutionize their experience, but the reality is that in many respects, the 'hunt' and the anticipation were mentally more satisfying than the reality. Sure, the new bike was fun for a while, but in the end, the motorcycling experience wasn't all that dissimilar from what they had before. The fantasy that people project is better than the reality of the actual thing.

    There seems to be a sort of 'this is what the cool kids are doing, so I will do it too' mentality. Be it ways of speaking or naming things (thread injector? Just man up and say sewing machine already), or even in products...

    The Dutch Clip, for example..



    JRB describes the clip as 'replacing the carabiner', but there was never a need for a carbiner or a clip in the first place. If you've got a loop in the end of a piece of webbing, simply pass the other end through it. It seems like a solution for a problem that never existed. Yet it gets constant recommendations because it's one of the 'in-crowd' accepted items.

    There are a lot of other threads around (and I don't want to point out examples and call anybody out, of course) where folks seem pat each other on the back and high five simply because they're both using a hammock.

    It just all seems a bit fanatical to me... God knows if this post (or my user account) will survive with all of my 'heretical' speech, but I'd rather just openly say such things. I've had a couple of very enjoyable nights in a hammock, and they allow me to stay overnight in rugged terrain where tent site selection would be very difficult. I'm sold on the concept, but it seems like a lot of posters around here have had a little bit too much of the Kool-Aid, if you will.

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