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    And, if you build a Alamosa Stand, I have at least 200' of amsteel, 6 - 3/4 x 12" threaded pipes drilled, 6-12" aluminum nails. 4-6' 3/4 emt pipes,,,.about 150.00 bucks or more in 2 stands so the tripod stands are way cheaper to build (unless you go the Army Surplus route) and way more versatile and easier to use, in my opinion.

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    Thank you Gentlemen

    Thank you gentlemen, that is very helpful.

    I am new to this forum as well as hammocks. Yes, one of my ideas was to use a different ridge pole, preferrably lighter and something infintely adjustable. But from Hppyfngy's and Gmcttr's informative posts, I can see that it may not be doable, in terms of resisting force. And there is certainly an advantge to over building, especially if used on uneven ground.

    Since the angle is quite important in determining loading, what would you gentlemen say is the approximate angle of a well hung hammock? I beleive I have heard about 30 degrees in my short purusal of these forums and other places?

    I note that 30 degrees is both the lowest and the last line in your table, Hppyfngy. Is that because theat table only goes that far or that is the largest angle doable in practice?

    One reason I was pondering not using swaged fence rails is that my limited experience with that type of connector is they have a tendency to jam. Not having worked with fence rails, ie dissassembling, I wondered aboout that. Has everyone found them easy enough to slide apart when breaking the stand down?

    I may simply use fence rails, for the very good reasons stated. But I still may seperate the ridge pole and the hammock. I need to think about this some more.

    And thanks for the welcome!

    Cheers!

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    Hey Greg,
    It's the consensus of most that 30* is optimal for hanging, give or take 5* or so. This is for comfort as well as being a good compromise on the stresses the lines take.

    As to the swaged ends, I've built several of these now with two and three sections of top rail and have not had one jam up on me yet. I've been using one almost daily for well over a year and it's as easy to take apart as ever. Pressure is applied gradually as you load the hammock. I think you'd have to take a hammer to it to really get it jammed.

    Let us know how your experimenting goes! Pics and video of your tests are a definite bonus!

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    Thanks, I will let everyone know what I come up with.

    Cheers!

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    TD Stand/Toprail flex

    Thanks to all the info on these pages I finally banged together a TD stand.
    I needed a 2 piece14ft top rail, and with hammock attached directly outboard of the toprail hang points I have quite a bit of downward flex. It held my 200# through the night, but I'm wondering if this is normal?I put a wide ranger-band at the connection to help prevent slippage and added some paracord (orange in the pict) from eyebolt to eyebolt and there was no noticeable slippage through the night.
    I apologize if this has been explained before...I've read this thread up to the 90s though I confess I may have skimmed a few spots
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    Originally Posted by olddog
    The question was posed by old4hats about the number of turtledog stands that had been built. Went back and reviewed a few threads, the Turtlelady stand, the TurtleDog stand and a thread by domromer. Here is what I was able to find and assume that there may be others.

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    #101 - turtleburger
    #102 - JakobW
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    Can't really tell from the photo Corpus and no experience with a 14' ridgepole. But normally if the hammock suspension is outboard and at a distance from the ridgepole suspension the RP will bow upwards and vice versa. What I can see you have a good looking stand there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olddog View Post
    Originally Posted by olddog


    Can't really tell from the photo Corpus and no experience with a 14' ridgepole. But normally if the hammock suspension is outboard and at a distance from the ridgepole suspension the RP will bow upwards and vice versa. What I can see you have a good looking stand there.

    Thanks for the reply, I expected it to bow upward as well, but I can only guess that at this length the compression forces combined with the play in the swaged fitting allowed gravity to start the bow downwards and loading my weight in it increased the compression and bow.
    Next time I will try pressing upward at the joint a bit as I load the hammock and see if the bow forms upwards.

    BTW: I am using regular 1 and 3/8s fence rail.

    Edit: the hammock suspension is outboard of the ridgepole suspension, but not at a distance...it is directly against the eyebolt.

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    OK...add Owl to the list of TD stand owners/builders.

    Got mine done this past weekend. One change I am going to make is to apply some kind of padding/cushioning to the eyebolt/center beam area to avoid any kind of stress to the hammock suspension as it is loaded and held across that area.

    Haven't hung in mine yet, won't until I get that padding done up. Also...did make everything 7' long to allow for the length of my HHED plus the minimum length requirement of my whoopies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpus View Post
    Thanks to all the info on these pages I finally banged together a TD stand.
    I needed a 2 piece14ft top rail, and with hammock attached directly outboard of the toprail hang points I have quite a bit of downward flex. It held my 200# through the night, but I'm wondering if this is normal?I put a wide ranger-band at the connection to help prevent slippage and added some paracord (orange in the pict) from eyebolt to eyebolt and there was no noticeable slippage through the night.
    I apologize if this has been explained before...I've read this thread up to the 90s though I confess I may have skimmed a few spots
    I can't tell. What is the top rail made of?

    I see you answered that later...

    Does it have that sag without the hammock or tarp? Does it stay that way when you get in it? Get worse or better?

    My longer ridge poles do flex downward a bit when not loaded but when I get in them they tend to straighten out. My weight sort of "counters" the weight of the pole and of course compresses them too a little.

    I'm not sure exactly what I'm seeing in your picture. Your tarp is pulling the ridge pole down some. All that being said it doesn't look like it's coming apart or anything. It can't really come apart as your weight is applying compression to the ridge pole.

    I'd say success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hppyfngy View Post
    I can't tell. What is the top rail made of?

    I see you answered that later...

    Does it have that sag without the hammock or tarp? Does it stay that way when you get in it? Get worse or better?

    My longer ridge poles do flex downward a bit when not loaded but when I get in them they tend to straighten out. My weight sort of "counters" the weight of the pole and of course compresses them too a little.

    I'm not sure exactly what I'm seeing in your picture. Your tarp is pulling the ridge pole down some. All that being said it doesn't look like it's coming apart or anything. It can't really come apart as your weight is applying compression to the ridge pole.

    I'd say success.


    There was a little sag with just the pole, no change with just the hammock, but when I (sloooowly) added my weight it started bowing downwards quite a bit although it did hold me. At that point I added the orange line stretched from eyebolt to eyebolt in an attempt to keep it from separating. I can see how the compression forces should keep the 2 halves together but I just wanted some insurance. Now I'm starting to think that adding that tensioned line eye to eye on top of the pole may have kept whatever bend was there even when unloaded.
    As you say success because it did hold me through the night, I plan another hang Wed and thru the weekend...hopefully all will go well.

    Thanks for the input.

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