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    Quote Originally Posted by HANGnOUT View Post
    I have the amsteel 7/64 that Coffee uses and I have had no success with the garda hitch. I have some covered in paracord sheath (PIA not worth the time) that worked and I got some 2.8 spyderwire that works great. The amsteel would flatten out without the sheath and slip. It would look like flat webbing after being in the rings.
    I just got some amsteel, and your right - its the first cord I've ran upon that won't hold with the garda hitch at all. Its so slippery! What I ended up doing that seems to work, is using the munter mule
    http://www.animatedknots.com/munterm...mage=&Website=
    this works! There is a little slip as the munter knot turns over but the amsteel line is so small that the slip is almost not noticeable. And it unties easily if you use a slip knot.

    This Amsteel is stronger, lighter ( and softer - not sure why that would matter?) and with the munter mule I only need one ring!

    There is someone else on here that uses the Garda Hitch (can't remember who), anyway whoever you are - check out the munter mule - only need one ring and it seems to work ok on slippery lines.

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    I just got some amsteel, and your right - its the first cord I've ran upon that won't hold with the garda hitch at all. Its so slippery! What I ended up doing that seems to work, is using the munter mule
    http://www.animatedknots.com/munterm...mage=&Website=
    this works! There is a little slip as the munter knot turns over but the amsteel line is so small that the slip is almost not noticeable. And it unties easily if you use a slip knot.
    I had tried that before but not like the example on the bottom of your link. Seems that small line needs to be wrapped around the ring a few times then go to the slip knots. Thanks for the link I am going to try it tonight.

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    Note that its not just wrapped, the munter knot can be used for rapelling/belaying if you lose your rapel/belay device. When its tied correctly, it flips back and forth depending on which way the rope is moving. With climbing rope diameters, when it flips back and forth, the rope pays out an inch or two, but with the thin amsteel, it seems like less than half an inch which is close enough to not be noticable to me. Now my support line is very very light (lighter than the tree huggers) and I only need one smc ring.

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    Yeah, I like it. The temps tonight are going close to single digits so I am going to do some testing. Might as well test this too. I have been noticing some fraying on the cover of my line when using the garda hitch. It really clamps down on the line and any movement cause wear. This may be the best solution. I think you got me started on the garda hitch with a post way back when and now this one.

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    This did work well and is a way to lose two rings if you want to use bare spectra. I did it slightly different. Instead of finishing by wrapping around the ring a few times I went directly to a couple figure 8's around the ring and rope and finished with one slip knot. Just seemed easier to keep from slipping while wrapping with gloves on. You do lose the quick fne tuning capabilities of the garda hitch. Thinking about a garda hitch on one end and the munter hitch on the other. This would allow quick tightening for any stretching etc.

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    I agree, I like the Garda best for adjustablility, but I can't get it to hold on the thin amsteel which has no outer cover.

    I finish the munter without wrapping, just tie the munter, pull it until its as snug as I want then just tie the slip knot around the taught line right up close to the munter. Seems to hold fine and if you want to readjust, a quick tug on the slip knot and your back to just the munter.

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