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    They both can be safe when made correctly and used correctly. Toggles used with a marlin spike hitch allow infinite adjustment in a lenght of webbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouseskowitz View Post
    ... And attached is what it looks like when used as a cinch/loop stop on a whoopie.
    So, the Solomon bar scarab is actually a separate piece of line from the soft shackle itself? The "scarab" is a wrap that slides back and forth to cinch and hold the knot in place?

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    I've seen a whoopie loop slip off a toggle that was twisted by the MSH in a tree strap (and not checked by the hanger ). I've not seen a soft shackle fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    So, the Solomon bar scarab is actually a separate piece of line from the soft shackle itself? The "scarab" is a wrap that slides back and forth to cinch and hold the knot in place?

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    That's how I use it. I'm not positive what TiredFeet was talking about. If I'm not mistaken, the Solomon Bar is used for the survival bracelets that are popular these days. So, maybe he was talking about something like that.

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    My answer: both are safer! You'd have to weigh an awful lot to have either fail -- even if you used your hammock as a trampoline. The materials we're using are pretty fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WV View Post
    I've seen a whoopie loop slip off a toggle that was twisted by the MSH in a tree strap (and not checked by the hanger ). I've not seen a soft shackle fail.
    I had a soft shackle fail this past weekend Luckily it wasn't in the middle of the night I didn't find the soft shackle until the next day and it was laying about 10' away from the hammock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewker View Post
    I had a soft shackle fail this past weekend ...
    Details and photos (please) or it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouseskowitz View Post
    This how to tie it. And attached is what it looks like when used as a cinch/loop stop on a whoopie.
    I tied solomon bar scarabs on one set of my whoopies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    So, the Solomon bar scarab is actually a separate piece of line from the soft shackle itself? The "scarab" is a wrap that slides back and forth to cinch and hold the knot in place?

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    Exactly! Less to worry about when it is tightened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    what is safer toggles or soft shackles when using whoopies suspension set up.neo

    Go get yourself a pair of dutch buckles and call it a day!
    I also have never heard of a soft shackle failing,maybe the knot was not done right

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