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    One note with bungees or tarp tensioners on the ridgeline - when the wind blows, it'll blow your tarp off center. When I used a tarp tensioner on each end with the MacCat Standard, that was enough to let some water blow into the hammock.

    Last trip I used a single strong tensioner on one of the tarps so I could hook one end to the hammock line. It worked find but we had a pretty sheltered site and there wasn't much wind.

    I wouldn't use it in windy conditions, but it did make setup a little quicker to do it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    ring buckles are even a little bit fussier than cinch buckles in that a safety know is needed.
    I've never needed a safety knot and never had slippage. I used Speer's webbing and SMC rings, and as long as I made sure the straps were lined up as they went through the rings I never felt them slip. But I know most folks feel more comfortable with them.

    But now I use the rings with a garda hitch so I can use cord instead of webbing. Best of both worlds - less weight, less bulk, no slippage, same quick adjustments, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jeff View Post
    I've never needed a safety knot and never had slippage. I used Speer's webbing and SMC rings, and as long as I made sure the straps were lined up as they went through the rings I never felt them slip. But I know most folks feel more comfortable with them.
    Sounds like you just jinxed yourself to me.
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    I like it - it's like a reversed Clark/Tarp config where instead of using a tensioner/bungee to attach the tarp to the hammock, you attach the bungee to the strap/webbing.

    I have these velcro pulls with clips on them (server rack mount pulls) that I have played around with for similar reasons, but they aren't strong enough to take a tarp under tension. This seems like it would do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramblinrev View Post
    Lots of people keep their suspesion straps aside from the hammock and tarp because the straps can pick up sap and bugs that can tranfer to the hammock in the skins or bishop bag. ring buckles are even a little bit fussier than cinch buckles in that a safety know is needed.
    I guess they aren't that hard to thread. Now that I think about several of my belts are cinch buckles I like leaving them together, now I can see why others would separate them.

    I rarely tie a backup knot behind the rings. But always check the straps to make sure they are lind up on each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Questions View Post
    I think they will. As weight is added to the hammock I've noticed the tarp ridgeline doesn't get stressed. Tarp drops down a few inches, but the APS tensioners on the ridgeline give the needed stretch.

    2Q, my worry was not the tarp line but the hammock strap line breaking the buckle. There will be a lot of pressure wanting to straighten the loop on the buckle.
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    ok.. I.m anal.... I've had lots of ring buckles slip... but the half hitch is easy insurance and I would probably do it anyway....
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    I've just started using them, but I'm going to have to agree with Ramblinrev on this one. It's better to err on the side of safety. Half hitch all the way.

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    Agreed... Better safe than sitting on the ground with a sore backside! My stock Claytor strap that I use with ring buckles are more spongy? than the webbing I bought for my wife's hammock. Mine seems to get a better bite, and her's did slip the first time she set it up, but I don't think she lined it up, and we did put a safety behind it that time since she was just starting out and didn't trust it anyway. It would seem that the thinner, slicker straps would be more prone to slipping, but after dressing them properly, they have not slipped.

    Anyway, back to the tarps.... I'm very interested in this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffjenn View Post
    2Q, my worry was not the tarp line but the hammock strap line breaking the buckle. There will be a lot of pressure wanting to straighten the loop on the buckle.
    You called it right. Last night the strap pressure broke the side release buckle. Pop, Pop! First the left then the right. So much for that idea!

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