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    TQ/UQ Fabric Questions

    Based on what I have read I will be picking up a Hammock Gear TQ/UQ set when I recover from my current car repair bill (darn car). But before I do, I have a few questions about the different fabrics used to make UQ/TQ s.

    First, for those of you that have had quilts made of the lighter weight fabrics such as M50, M70, D7 (I think), and others like this, how much durability do you give up compared to either the 1.1 or 1.9 oz ripstop that seem to be the standard now in different types of gear? I am familiar with the durability of the ripstops, but have never gotten my paws on the other fabrics to play with.

    Second, I have seen a couple of people mention this combo in a UQ, What is the advantage the cuben fiber/M50 combination or other similar combos?

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    Nothing wrong with the standard 1.1 ripstop stormcrow uses.

    The lighter fabrics are... well lighter. But yes you give up a fair amount of durability with the lighter stuff so it's kinda specialised, you have to baby the stuff (Or at least I do).
    You do pay more for a lighter shelled set of quilts.

    I think you may find people with a cuben UQ are using it as a vapor barrier quilt but I could be mistaken ??
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    I've made quilts using these ultralight fabrics. They are noticeably more fragile than 1.1 ripstop. That said, they are my goto quilts for 100% of my hikes. I don't hike with scouts!
    You must exercise due care. All my equipment is ultralight and therefore my habit is to treat my gear with TLC.
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    UL gear requires care -- but IMHO,

    1.1 is becoming the tool of DIY'ers.
    if cottage industries want to stay at the top, hi-tech fabrics like M50, SevenD, Pertex Quantum, Cuben------etc,

    need to be stock options. its lighter, nearly as tough, and outperforms standard ripstop.

    nothing wrong for 1.1 for casual style hikers,,, but those who demand performance, count grams and oz.'s ---- i think these types deserve it as
    a common place.

    that aside - i do hope these hi-tech fabrics become more 'known' at HG as
    the stock option, without having to be on HF to know who's getting what or calling adam all the time
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    All of my quilts are from 7D and M55. I treat them with the same care I treated my 1.1 rip stop fabric quilts. As for durability I use them the say way and just as much as I did my 1.1 fabric quilts. As a gram counter the fabric shell really makes all the difference in the world. I started off buying 1.1 shelled quilts, then saved up some more money sold the 1.1 and bought 7D quilts. After using 7D and M55 I cant imagine going back to 1.1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rip waverly View Post
    that aside - i do hope these hi-tech fabrics become more 'known' at HG as
    the stock option, without having to be on HF to know who's getting what or calling adam all the time
    How good would it be to have the different fabric choices as a dropdown option on the HF site, just like overfill etc.

    Maybe this would be a future improvement once Adam gets his UL fabric supply more reliable. I can understand it being a pain now as the M50/7d/8d/10d alll seem to be a little unreliable to get your hands on sometimes.
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    2 of my UQs, one down and one PL1 have m50 on both sides. I'm impressed by the durability of not only the DWR, but the fabric itself. It looks like a glorified trash sack, but it's held up to occasional drops/drags on the ground just like any other 1.1 or 1.9 oz that i've used before.
    Another great thing is the feeling of this textile, and the drape.

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    I have a question for people with all M50 quilts.

    Do they loft up well once unpacked and recompress okay ??

    I just noticed with my M50/7D set that when I stuff them away after they have lofted that most of the air getting pushed out is coming via the 7D. M50 is really air resistant.
    They are like stuffing a full ballon with just a small hole, you really have to squish the air out. I'm interested in what an all M50 quilt lofts and packs like with a total shell from such wind/air proof fabric.
    I really noticed the diffence the other week when I took a M50/&d TQ and a regular 1.1 ripstop UQ. The UQ just packed in seconds to nothing with minimal resistance to the air being expelled.
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    i havent really noticed much difference in my all M50 UQ's as far as packing/stuffing goes.

    however, they do seem to loft just a bit slower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pig.slayer View Post
    I have a question for people with all M50 quilts.

    Do they loft up well once unpacked and recompress okay ??

    I just noticed with my M50/7D set that when I stuff them away after they have lofted that most of the air getting pushed out is coming via the 7D. M50 is really air resistant.
    They are like stuffing a full ballon with just a small hole, you really have to squish the air out. I'm interested in what an all M50 quilt lofts and packs like with a total shell from such wind/air proof fabric.
    I really noticed the diffence the other week when I took a M50/&d TQ and a regular 1.1 ripstop UQ. The UQ just packed in seconds to nothing with minimal resistance to the air being expelled.
    Good point, with some fabrics. Either the maker depends on leakage at seams, in which case effective water repellence might be compromised, or the maker explicitly includes a section or panel facilitates compression and re-lofting. Was it Griz or maybe Tim Marshall who wrote up inclusion of this design feature a few years ago?

    ISTM that while an UQ might be dragged,, that's real negligence. It is meant to be almost as off the ground as the hammock. (Maybe more folk who have damaged UQ's when their hmmks fell to the ground during set-up or take down want to fess up that they've started putting the UQ on afterward due to that happening.

    But, the risks to the bottom of a sleeping bag are always greater. It could come off the pad it was explicitly placed on just 1/2" from the ground and be rubbed into the earth by a foot. As for the TQ: Zippers don't appear on them as they do for SB's, and the hammock's zippers, also potentially hazardous, are out of the way when the TQ is most needed: shoulder seasons and winter.

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