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    yeah, imagine getting caught in the first storm of the season and having to walk out wiothout winter boots. almost happened to me once, i was wearing tennis shoes. luckily it wasn't that much snow and i wasn't that far out, but even something like taking the wrong shoes could be a really costly mistake if there is any signifigant snowfall

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    Several years ago there was a heavy snow in Indian Peaks Wilderness on Labor Day. Difficult to tell how many inches because the snow was blowing, but the drifts were over 2'. The ridge at timberline between Coney Flats and Brainard Lake was hard winter conditions. I was wearing trail runners.

    When we go into the backcountry we decide whether to carry gear or technique. The wildlife will find natural shelter and survive - we can too with the right technique. A local hiking club teaches a survival class. We get to decide what balance of technique or gear we carry.

    In the summer I carry extra weight because I want to hang places that do not take advantage of natural shelter.

    Weight is not that much of a problem when the gear goes on a sled. The conditions I fear are 35 degrees, steady rain and gusty or below zero with no snow.
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    Updated the article a bit to differentiate between using a hammock in winter, which is easy to do, and being prepared for extreme conditions...a bit harder. Basically what we talked about in this thread. (Only real change was the first paragraph.)

    You know what, though? No one should go out in extreme conditions with a ground setup w/o the skills to survive if the shelter broke. Hammocks are really no different. I don't think a tarp-based shelter is as storm-worthy as mountaineering tents, but with good site selection, and knowing how to build a snow trench or cave as backup, I bet gear can be purchased to cover the conditions that 95+% of people will encounter while hiking. Hammocks aren't the right tool for mountaineering...so if you take that out, winter tarps and Hammock Huts in the right sites will suffice for most winter conditions.

    Still, I'd like to see a shelter based on a mountaineering-style tent...geodesic or hooped design, that will withstand direct 100mph winds. I'm surprised there aren't more hammock socks or bivy options available, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jeff View Post
    Still, I'd like to see a shelter based on a mountaineering-style tent...geodesic or hooped design, that will withstand direct 100mph winds. I'm surprised there aren't more hammock socks or bivy options available, too.
    I wonder if Grizz's quonset hut would qualify?
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    Hrm...anyone have a wind tunnel to test it? Haha! I bet it would stand up very well if the doors were replaced with a sloped entrance, like the hooped tents from Hilleberg, Stephensen, etc. With those sloped entrances the trees would have to be farther apart, though...that may present a challenge. Would probably have to add a couple more poles as well. But yeah - it looks awesome.
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    i have been a 4 season hanger 4 years now.aint nothing to itneo
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    Yeah, I know - you hammocked Antarctica with a $12 tarp, a 1/8" CCF torso pad and a HF thong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jeff View Post
    Yeah, I know - you hammocked Antarctica with a $12 tarp, a 1/8" CCF torso pad and a HF thong!

    lost a little coffee on that one... LOL!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jeff View Post
    Yeah, I know - you hammocked Antarctica with a $12 tarp, a 1/8" CCF torso pad and a HF thong!
    I really hope that image doesn't stick in my head
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    I'm obviously missing a fundamental skill here. When i think winter I think the 10' of utah snow topped with powder that I grew up camping in. How are you guys staking down a tarp in that? We never bothered to stake down tents because if the wind blew it would just pull the stake out. Vs staking down a tarp seems like a low angle and burying the sides in snow would be better than stakes.

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