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    Do I still need a Pad with an Underquilt?

    I am planning for some cooler weather hammocking and wondered if I buy an underquilt. Can I do away with the CCF mat?

    I am not talking about freezing temps. Around 8 oC or 46 oF.

    Its not so much the weight that I a concerned about for trekking but the bulk.

    Thanks in advance for any help

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    It depends. Depends on the UQ, depends on site selection, depends on the tarp pitch, depends on wind, depends on how you sleep in varying temps. If you can, I would suggest testing out different systems in your backyard.

    In general, people use UQ's or pads, but rarely together. The benefits of an UQ are eliminated if one also uses a pad. If the conditions are too cold for the UQ, use just pads. I am in the minority on HF, as I use an UQ in the warmer temps (down to freezing) and then switch to pads (which get me comfortably into the deep negatives). I tested systems in the backyard for a year to get to where I am now.

    Of course bulk is the biggest drawback to pads as you know. All variables should be taken into consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuctTape View Post
    It depends. Depends on the UQ, depends on site selection, depends on the tarp pitch, depends on wind, depends on how you sleep in varying temps. If you can, I would suggest testing out different systems in your backyard.

    In general, people use UQ's or pads, but rarely together. The benefits of an UQ are eliminated if one also uses a pad. If the conditions are too cold for the UQ, use just pads. I am in the minority on HF, as I use an UQ in the warmer temps (down to freezing) and then switch to pads (which get me comfortably into the deep negatives). I tested systems in the backyard for a year to get to where I am now.

    Of course bulk is the biggest drawback to pads as you know. All variables should be taken into consideration.

    Happy Hangin'
    Thanks for the info

    When temps are very low and you switch to pads only. I assume you use one that covers your shoulder and butt area.

    When I use a pad only this is where it gets cold and that is why I am considering an Underquilt.

    Hoping to be able to leave the mat or pad at home and just carry an UQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TreeCamper View Post
    Thanks for the info

    When temps are very low and you switch to pads only. I assume you use one that covers your shoulder and butt area.

    When I use a pad only this is where it gets cold and that is why I am considering an Underquilt.

    Hoping to be able to leave the mat or pad at home and just carry an UQ.

    TC
    You are correct. The pad wraps up the sides of the hammock to protect the shoulders. Under my butt and torso is 2-layers of (3/8in) pads. My poncho is also hung below the hammock as an extra windbreak. As the temps drop, more insulation is needed. The UQ solution to your issue will work, but not because an UQ is superior to the pad, it is because you are using both. An additional pad will also solve the problem.

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    I never use a pad except maybe under my knees for support, but not for the cold. I don't usually see temps below 40 degrees but my 3 season UQ keeps me toasty. Using a pad sort of defeats the purpose of an UQ.
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    I have an UQ and I still bring my 3/4 foam pad to use as a dry, clean spot to get in and out of my hammock! I also put my pack on it at night under my hammock! I don't need it, but I still use it! My pack weight is usually 17lbs-19lbs, so I don't mind the extra weight or bulk! Good luck! Maddog
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    I hear of people in really cold situations using both, but I live in Louisiana, so we use pads because the Mosquitos can't bite thru them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swankfly View Post
    I hear of people in really cold situations using both, but I live in Louisiana, so we use pads because the Mosquitos can't bite thru them!
    What? There are mosquitos down there that are large enough to bite through at least three layers of nylon not to mention inches of lofted down?

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    The Verdict

    Thanks to all for their tips and advice.

    I decided to have a go and ordered a full length underquilt.

    Arrived in good time for my overnighter yesterday.

    Tried it without the CCF mat and although the hammock did not hold its shape like it does with the mat, this was not a problem.

    The underquilt came well up each side and even if you toss and turn around it more or less stayed put and did not need adjustment.

    I made sure it was not too tight or loose underneath and had a very cosy nights sleep. Most of the night did not need to be totally in my sleeping bag.

    Looking forward now to testing it out in some colder weather.

    As far as packing goes it took up less space than my CCF mat and Picnic blanket that I have been using in the past.

    Its a thumbs up from me.

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    i only use a pad on my feet when the temps get below 5 degrees. I may be wierd but i dont have an issue with cold feet in temps above that. I do use a sewn footbox though and that really helps in my opinion. If you dont have a sewn footbox from Hammock Gear you should really give that option a try.
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