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    Last Night At 5 Deg's, -25 Deg Wind Chill

    Two of my friends and I camped out (car camped) in my neck of the wood last night. It didn't get under 27 degrees until midnight, then the temp plunged to 5 degrees with 20 mph sustained wind and near 40 mph gusts. We were down low with small hills on 3 sides of us so we were not in the high winds all night but the winds literally howled overhead.
    Animal Control and Clint have formidable talent and knowledge on Governments and monetary systems. I learned a lot and argued a bit too. It was great discussion and very energetic!
    It was my first night in my BlackBird hammock and Super Fly shelter made by Brandon, Warbonnet stuff.
    Animal Control was using his new underquilt made by Brandon too and used nothing else under it, only the typical CCF pad under his legs in the footbox. He didn't get cold. He also said he had zero condensation. He had to slightly move the 2/3s underqult a time or two to tweak the fit.
    Clint slept in a tent but I overcame my urge to hang his little bitty tent and bivy from a tree. He was a little chilly. Once he got a second sleeping bag he said he finally got to sleep.
    I used two JRB quilts on top, the summer quilt and the NS, and a JRB Old Rag Mountain for a bottom quilt over the top of a DIY quilt made from a sleeping bag with only about 1.5 inches loft. Total loft top and bottom was at about 5 inches.
    I made the mistake of not putting my weather cover on when the hammock was being hung and had a heck of a time unhooking the hammock with the shelter over it to slide my weather cover over everything. Finally got it and the wings of the blackbird unfurled in all their glory to spite the weather cover shroud. I did have quite a bit of condensation, though frozen in the weather cover, but at those temps that to be expected.
    No kidding, I laid on top of the quilts for over a half hour reading my book. I finally put my feet in the footbox with my hot water bottle. (All three of us heated hot water bottles before turning in). I then read my book for another half hour with the quilts only on my feet. By then the temps had dropped and when I got up to pee found the wind and temp to be a bit biting. Whenever I got up to pee, I found that I was so warm I didn't even get chilled while "hanging out" there either.
    I wore no coat or trousers in the hammock, just long johns and a fleece shirt with watch cap, and I didn't even begin to get cold until I got up a second time to, you know...hang out again.
    I then finally actually put the quilts over my shoulders and tied them behind my neck at 5 AM to keep them on better. I also used bungee to pull the quilts up against the sides of the hammock better, but didn't hook them up till about 5 AM too when the wind was really gusting.
    Our gear worked fine. The new Blackbird, I must say, was for me more comfortable than any hammock, bar none, that I have ever laid in. Thanks Brandon for a great product.
    The Super Fly shelter was just as tight when I got up as when I first pitched it using bungee to guy it to the ground, both doors on both sides were partially open all night. Man, it was great! Again, the best shelter I have.
    We got up after 9 AM and were packed to go in a half hour tops.
    Wish you all had been there.
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    Hey, great pics. Is Clint ready to get off ground? Did the Coors help with keeping you warm??

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    I have to say that we would probably have not survived without the Coors. Things have a way of working out. Without a little foam on your lip you could get a real frostbitten kisser. Mule
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    Plus it's brewed from fresh mountain springs so it kinda makes you more of a mountain man just from holding one. Kind of.
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    Mule:

    Don’t you just love these Indiana winter’s … I hate to get up in the middle of the night and get cold! Instead, I use an empty Gatorade bottle (marked with duck tape). It will add some warmth in the hammock, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyDan View Post
    Mule:

    Don’t you just love these Indiana winter’s … I hate to get up in the middle of the night and get cold! Instead, I use an empty Gatorade bottle (marked with duck tape). It will add some warmth in the hammock, too.
    That would work, but to be honest, I like getting up a time or two to just look around and get an new perspective on the campsite. I know that's crazy, but, well, Popeye like spinach too. Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by skskinner View Post
    The new Blackbird, I must say, was for me more comfortable than any hammock, bar none, that I have ever laid in. Thanks Brandon for a great product.

    Mule
    Another convert! More comfortable than your BMB? That's saying something for you! I still love my BMB, but the WBBB is my favorite as well. Easier to fit a tarp, and I still haven't done your zipper mod for my BMB yet.

    Sounds like a blast! I'm really looking forward to Mt. Rogers and some cold weather camping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishinFinn View Post
    Another convert! More comfortable than your BMB? That's saying something for you! I still love my BMB, but the WBBB is my favorite as well. Easier to fit a tarp, and I still haven't done your zipper mod for my BMB yet.

    Sounds like a blast! I'm really looking forward to Mt. Rogers and some cold weather camping.
    Yes, I should clarify my comment. I do still love my BMB hammock, and it is awesome since I made it wider, and in fact, the one I made myself is awesome too with the bugnet sewn in and a zipper added. I liked that so much I did the same thing to the BMB. But I always dreaded using that huge tarp so that the 36 inch spreader bars would have plenty of room.
    The main reason though that I am happy with the WB Blackbird is that it is almost as flat as a bridge but hangs under a tarp like a conventional camping hammock. When the bridge is hanging empty, it lifts up a foot or two and usually so high that it hits the tarp anyway until you get into it.
    So, I have chosen the Blackbird as my current favorite for all of those reasons, and it is more comfortable in some ways, but does not beat the bridge very far. I really enjoyed hanging more this weekend because I could stretch out my arms and legs, and just had more room that a bridge, though not quite as flat. The storage space is awesome. I doubt I will be able to live without it now.
    All these factors go into my choosing the BB over the Bridge, but the fact remains, there is no flatter lay than a bridge at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skskinner View Post
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    All these factors go into my choosing the BB over the Bridge, but the fact remains, there is no flatter lay than a bridge at this point.
    I agree. The BMBH is still a bit flatter, as I think WBG would also agree with. But they are both great, and I am undecided which one is my favorite overall.

    For me, on the "flat" scale( and ability to side sleep in comfort), it is 1: BMBH 2: WBBB 3: Claytor No Net 3: every body else.

    If I am not in the BMBH, I often remove the spreader bars so they don't hit the tarp. As long as I have not pitched too tight, they are easy to quickly pop back in.
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us....that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
    Romans 8:18,21-22

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    BB58, We are in agreement even on the order you choose to list them except 1 and 2 are reversed. Ain't hammockin great? Mule
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