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    HF's PayPal Policy - why it's important

    I know that some people simply don't like to follow rules, and that's something we deal with as it comes up. Others, though, will follow the rules if they understand why they're in place. (And still others follow the rules because they gave their word when they agreed to our TOS when they signed up...but not everyone cares about keeping their word.)

    So here's why HF says you can't use PayPal's Gift Option when you make a sale.

    1 - It's against PayPal's terms of service.
    2 - PayPal once froze the HammockForums account because our members were using the gift option and breaking PayPal's terms of service.
    3 - It protects the buyer in case of fraud. You can't file a complaint with PayPal if you use the gift option. This happens very rarely on HF, but it happens.

    So if you use the gift option for selling/buying items in HF's marketplace, you risk getting OUR account frozen again. That's not cool.

    It's clearly posted in the TOS that transactions cannot use the gift option, so sellers should factor that into the asking price. Our community here operates on mutual respect and manners...and it's very rude to ask another member in PM (after you have agreed upon the sale terms in the thread) to change the terms. That puts them on the spot, and risks something that's a benefit to this entire forum. We've gotten complaints about this happening, and we will remove access for it.

    Most of our members follow the rules because it's the right thing to do, and we thank all of you for that. We don't make random rules because of a power trip...there's a specific reason for each one. We'll even explain the reasons if you ask, rather than trying to sneak around them. Breaking your word to abide by the terms of service is not only disrespectful, it's harmful to the community. We don't tolerate much of either here; it's what makes HF special.
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    The gift option always sounds like a way to save a couple of bucks, but I have completely stopped using it unless someone WANTS to pay me that way, or just does it on their own. {not on HF} of course.

    Reason being, I have had to make 2 different claims for one reason or another, and if I had used the gift option on either transaction, I would have been left high and dry.

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    ZQ here....from the sellers view....all of JJ's reason, and a big plus...PayPal allows First Class shipping. Printing a FC label thru PayPal includes a tracking number at no additional charge. Shipping costs are a bit less also. No FC label printing on the USPS website.
    So, if you think you are doing a favor for the seller paying as a gift....in my opinion...being able to print a label and putting it out for pick-up is a big time saver for me, with the added benefits I mentioned.
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    I agree.

    I also find it distasteful when I see sellers also asking for the buyer to pay the PayPal fees. I view offering PayPal and the associated fees as a cost of doing business. I also account for that in the price I either charge or accept for any given item.

    Cheers

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    +1 on both

    I have not purchased items for both reasons.
    Quote Originally Posted by BrianWillan View Post
    I agree.

    I also find it distasteful when I see sellers also asking for the buyer to pay the PayPal fees. I view offering PayPal and the associated fees as a cost of doing business. I also account for that in the price I either charge or accept for any given item.

    Cheers

    Brian

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    Ok but if I'm paying for a donating memeber status do I pay it as a service or a gift?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbcruzin View Post
    Ok but if I'm paying for a donating memeber status do I pay it as a service or a gift?
    When you click the Donate button, it doesn't even give you the option.

    If you're sending it directly (only done if paying for someone else's membership), you should always use the Service option.

    Unless you're sending money as a Gift to a friend or family, you should never use the Gift option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angrysparrow View Post
    When you click the Donate button, it doesn't even give you the option.

    If you're sending it directly (only done if paying for someone else's membership), you should always use the Service option.

    Unless you're sending money as a Gift to a friend or family, you should never use the Gift option.
    Ok thank you. I will remember in the future.
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