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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSawyer View Post
    The only problem I had with a class c in the cold was the black water tank froze...

    Enjoy the toy! I love mine!
    The vast majority of ALL classes of RVs produced today are NOT built for winter use so things like frozen water tanks are the norm not the exception.

    You can buy winter rated RV's but they're few and far between and most models can't even be ordered that way.

    I found that a single 60 watt light bulb hung in the compartment where the water tank was, was sufficient heat to keep the tank from freezing. I was lucky and had a Class A where everything was inside compartments. You're SOL with some models where the tank is exterior mounted under the chassis though.

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    I think this one has the tanks in compartments but I'll check it out tomorrow. The saleswoman said she puts rock salt in her tanks to keep them from freezing, and that prevents the valves from freezing, too. She said sometimes the bulbs will still let the valves on the outside freeze. Either way, salt doesn't take power so that'll make a difference when we're boondocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Jeff View Post
    Test drove the dually last night and it was an amazing machine. I felt more manly just hearing that Cummins fire up! Tight, smooth (for a 3500), immaculately clean.

    But we ended up going with a 2013 Class C. They came down way low on the price so it ended up being a little cheaper than the fifth wheel and Ram kit. Not a whole lot cheaper, but enough to be a consideration. Bigger factor was the lower fiddle factor, slightly more convenient, ability for me to get up and drive out without prying the teenagers out of bed, etc.

    Basically, I would have been satisfied with the fifth wheel on a weekend trip and very happy with it on week or longer stays, but vice versa with the Class C - very happy on weekend trips, and plenty satisfied on longer stays. The Class C actually has a small private area for Joker over the cab, where the fifth wheel would have him sleeping in the (apartment-sized) living area.

    My Wrangler is already set up to tow...we've towed it from Charleston, SC, to Monterey, CA, to Fayetteville, NC! So sticking it behind the Class C will give us a town/mountains vehicle (and some more storage capacity) on some trips. Much easier around town than the dually!

    Interestingly, I think the Class C might give me more opportunity to hang a hammock inside. Haven't actually looked it over in detail yet, but there's a bit of woodwork in there that might support a compression member ridgeline much better than the fifth wheel would have. I'll stick with a stand for the first several trips until I find something workable...but who knows?

    So we put down the deposit today and should pick it up on Saturday if the inspections go well...then we'll drive out Sunday for a few days. Not sure where yet...thinking about Albuquerque just b/c it's relatively close.

    Pics attached. Any thoughts on where to hang the hammock?
    Hey JustJeff, hit me up if you come down to Albq!

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    That is how my class-A is. I even have heater vents by black/gray and fresh tanks, as well as compartmented valves. The old class c has exposed tanks.

    Never thought of rock salt!
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    I just winterize mine with RV antifreeze in all the lines. Winter camping just means carrying water in jugs for me.
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    So...took a quick trip for a few days. Really didn't do much except learn about the RV. I realized that 1) the cheap RV mattress is actually really comfortable, 2) outside storage is very limited, so the only hammock stand I could fit is the Handy Hammock I need to post the review for, and 3) it's tough to RV at 5F with a -9F wind chill.

    Drove through white-out conditions and let a couple water lines freeze...turns out it's not compartmented after all. I don't think there's any damage, though. I'll find out in a couple days when it gets above freezing!

    Definitely got more confidence in it! And a little closer to figuring out a hammock solution. Not likely to happen inside the RV, but maybe a one-pole method under the awning. Gotta look into some numbers first.
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    Welcome to the Class C world. Looks like a pretty good sized one.
    Just park near some trees & take your hammock out like usual.
    Mine's only a 24', but it's just Mrs. Moment and me. She lets me drive...and drive...and drive...and maintain it.
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    Your tanks are likely fully exposed. Fresh water is probably under your bed and won't freeze. In winter hookups are a must... and cheap electric heaters are a godsend.

    I considered at one time, using reflectix to insulate the exposed tanks, and l
    Boxing in my valves. A small lightbulb in the vicinity would be enough to keep things thawed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottybdiving View Post
    Jeff, I thought the same because I had 1st looked at them 10-12 years ago. They were pretty bare bones and shared a lot of living space as the garage. They have come a long ways and many full-timers are using them now. Mine is basically a 31' 5th wheel with a 12' garage attached.
    That's not a trailer, that's a luxury hotel on wheels My 35' foot trailer looks like a 70's reject compared to those photos. Of course it's permanently parked at the campground we bought it at.

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    Yes - my black and grey tanks are fully exposed, but at least the black one has a tank heater. I didn't see one on the grey tank but I didn't crawl all the way under there. Lining with reflectix is a good option for both. I'm also going to check with the dealer on a full package to retrofit it, if they do such a thing. I know others have talked about foaming insulation where they bag the tanks and fill the void with foaming insulation, then trim and treat the exterior.

    Also going to insulate the lines, and possibly heat them with the pipe heater that you wrap around the pipes. Gotta consider the fire hazard there, though.

    For the drain valves, something like this: http://www.ultraheat.com/rv_products.html

    Also looking to install secondary valves underneath, where the water lines split off for the outdoor kitchen and outdoor shower. Then I can winterize those and close the valves, allowing me to leave those two parts winterized while I de-winterize the indoor plumbing for short-term use. Will make quicker work of short-term use of the plumbing system.

    Picked up a roll of reflectix last night to make custom window-fittings for the cab area...that gets crazy cold at night.

    And definitely get some small electric heaters.

    The goal of all this is to get me more time in the woods, even when it's below freezing. Once I get the RV dialed in, I'll be more comfortable leaving Jennifer and the kids or a friend there on mildly freezing nights while I take short backpack trips...so I can hammock for real!

    So...I don't want this thread to turn into a bunch of posts solely about me kitting out the RV. I want to focus on how people use hammocks with RVs, or how an RV can help people use their hammocks more often, etc.

    Though I gotta say, having an electrical outlet so I can sleep in my hammock with an electric blanket would be nice...
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