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    Quote Originally Posted by lvleph View Post
    They are too bulky too expensive and I don't like Ray Jardine. He has great ideas, but I have my opinion of him.
    Take a look at Patrick's KAQ directions:

    http://www.kickassquilts.com/MakeTOC.html

    The Potomac is an underquilt, but that just means it's more complicated than a top quilt - you can get the parts you need and skip the stuff you don't.

    As far as Jardine's kit, I can understand you not liking some of the stuff he has to say. Fact of the matter is, though, you can't get the materials you need to make his quilt for what he charges for the kit - AND it comes with nicely detailed instructions. And if you're that worried about bulk, you can modify his design to reduce bulk/weight, or just spring for down.
    Last edited by blackbishop351; 02-27-2007 at 17:32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    Hmmm - Ray Jardine's instructions include pictures and are very clear. Following them step by step is easy and when you get done it looks exactly like the pictures. 3 pages with clear pictures and a diagram or 2.

    I would copy and post here, but since he makes a living selling the kits and asks the buyers to honor his copy right, It wouldn't be right to do so.

    You might want to consider one of his quilt kits. They really are pretty good. I've seen comparisons of the XP and Primaloft with the 3D he uses and the XP and Primaloft seem to win the calculation contest easily. I had a Primaloft mummy bag and the Primaloft lost the usage contest badly. Never used the XP, but might consider trying to find some and making a Jardine quilt from some if I can find any.
    Good luck finding Polarguard. The Climashield XP you can get from Thru-hiker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by funbun View Post
    So there are four layers to the quilt?
    Yes - 2.5 yards DWR for the outer shell, 2.5 yards each for two layers of insulation, and 2.5 yards DWR for the inner shell. That's the standard ~ 30* quilt makeup. Mirage's, Jardine's, Patrick's...all the same basic idea.
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    I am not using Polarguard 3d. I was going to use Primaloft Sport. I thought that I had figured out that I only need one layer for 40F, but now I am starting to doubt myself. I was originally going to use down, but being a vegetarian I had a big problem with this, and decided against it. It is worth the extra weight in my opinion. However, when I calculated everything out it seemed too light (11 oz for a 6'x4' underquilt).

    The way I figured out the weight was:
    Primaloft Sport has a a CLO=0.74 and basis weight of 3oz
    Total CLO for 40F would be 2
    2/.74=2.7oz of insulation per Sq.yd
    So that would mean I need 1 layer of the Primaloft.
    Total Weight of Primaloft=3oz/Sq. yd*(6ft*4ft)/(9Sq.ft/Sq. yd)=8oz
    Weight of Fabric=1.1oz/Sq. yd*(6ft*4ft)/(9Sq.ft/Sq. yd)=2.9oz
    For a total estimated weight of 10.9oz.
    This seems entirely too light.
    Last edited by lvleph; 02-27-2007 at 18:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvleph View Post
    I am not using Polarguard 3d. I was going to use Primaloft Sport. I thought that I had figured out that I only need one layer for 40F, but now I am starting to doubt myself. I was originally going to use down, but being a vegetarian I had a big problem with this, and decided against it. It is worth the extra weight in my opinion. However, when I calculated everything out it seemed too light (15 oz for a 6'x4' underquilt).

    The way I figured out the weight was:
    Primaloft Sport has a a CLO=0.74 and basis weight of 3oz
    Total CLO for 40F would be 2
    2/.74=2.7oz of insulation per Sq.yd
    So that would mean I need 1 layer of the Primaloft.
    Total Weight of Primaloft=3oz/Sq. yd*(6ft*4ft)/(9Sq.ft/Sq. yd)=8oz
    Weight of Fabric=1.1oz/Sq. yd*(6ft*4ft)/(9Sq.ft/Sq. yd)=2.9oz
    For a total estimated weight of 10.9oz.
    This seems entirely too light.
    Yup...that is waaaaaaay off....one layer has a clo of .74 and weighs 3.0 oz / sq yd.

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    Hmmm, I was going by what Ayce had said on Thru-hiker. I think I will ask him what that is all about.

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    i added 3 really simplified drawings of quilt construction in the homemade gear gallery. if you go to that gallery, you can see all three along w/ what's written below them.
    one is the most commonly used method where you sew three sides together w/ the insulation showing, then turn it inside out so the insulation is inside. then sew the remaining opening closed.
    this gives you a nice looking, finished seam around the edge.

    if you want a simpler version, you can use this meathod http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery...5/P2270003.JPG
    you lay the three layers the way they will be in the finished quilt, then sew the edges, leaving enough extra of one of the shell layers to fold over & sew again to give another kind of finished edge.
    note the suggestion of leaving extra width on the insulation & top shell to prevent compression when you pull the quilt around you.
    don`t leave the CREATOR out of the creation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvleph View Post
    I am not using Polarguard 3d. I was going to use Primaloft Sport. I thought that I had figured out that I only need one layer for 40F, but now I am starting to doubt myself. I was originally going to use down, but being a vegetarian I had a big problem with this, and decided against it. It is worth the extra weight in my opinion. However, when I calculated everything out it seemed too light (11 oz for a 6'x4' underquilt).

    The way I figured out the weight was:
    Primaloft Sport has a a CLO=0.74 and basis weight of 3oz
    Total CLO for 40F would be 2
    2/.74=2.7oz of insulation per Sq.yd
    So that would mean I need 1 layer of the Primaloft.
    Total Weight of Primaloft=3oz/Sq. yd*(6ft*4ft)/(9Sq.ft/Sq. yd)=8oz
    Weight of Fabric=1.1oz/Sq. yd*(6ft*4ft)/(9Sq.ft/Sq. yd)=2.9oz
    For a total estimated weight of 10.9oz.
    This seems entirely too light.
    You can bet on a good-sized quilt weighing somewhere between 18 and 28 oz. And according to AYCE, Climashield XP works better for a large project like a quilt anyway. At least go with something continuous filament - you don't want a sewn-through quilt. Unfortunately Polarguard 3D is hard to find right now.
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    The XP has scrim which ends up weighing more it seemed.

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