Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 19
  1. #1
    New Member DanRomani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Newcastle, upon Tyne, UK
    Posts
    48

    Pics of my DD setup


    Some of you may recall that I was on here when I first got my DD Travel Hammock and XL Tarp, asking for advice and help on how to set it up for my needs.

    I was asking about adding a gear hammock, using skins, ridge-line options etc etc.

    Well, I've finally got it rigged how I like, thanks in no small part to this forum, and I've even found a way to hang it in my back yard! So I've taken some pictures in case anyone else ever has the same questions I did.


    I've come from ground camping and wanted to spend as little as possible in the (experimental) move to hammock camping. As you can see, I've used an old sleeping bag as an under-quilt and, what you can't see, I have an Exped Synmat 7 between the layers of the DD's bottom.
    I've suspended the DD mesh hammock underneath the main hammock (within arms reach) and will be using that for any gear that needs to be within easy reach.
    Despite the XL tarp having loops in place for an over-the-top ridge line, I've gone with an under-slung ridge line, mainly because it means I can suspend the bugnet from that line, rather than having to tie out to a tree, which means I'm using much less shock cord (lighter) and it takes much less time (faster).

    In these pictures it doesn't look like my under-slung ridgeline is supporting the tarp at all. That's because it isn't! My back yard isn't the easiest place to hang, and the way it worked out, all the support is coming form the corners. I've tested this setup in the wild though and it works just fine.



    Here's a close-up of the mozzie-net suspension. I've basically tied some shock cord into a loop and then attached that loop to the tarp ridge-line with a prussik knot. There's a mini 'biner on the end, which clips onto the loops of the netting. The shock and 'biner get gathered up with the tarp. If I choose not to use a tarp, then I'd have to revert to tying the netting out to the trees but I've already re-purposed the original shock cord, so I reckon I'll always have to deploy the tarp. If I'm looking for a view, I can always just fold half of it over and use it as a wind-break... right?



    Here's where the re-purposed shock cord has gone to; I've used it to create whipping knots at the four corners of my old (1-season) sleeping bag. I've added hooks to the end of that cord and simply clipped it onto the optional tie out loops already present on the 2012 DD hammocks. (You can also see the Synmat 7 poking out there).
    I approached this in a very low-tec way; after setting the hammock the way I like it, I unzipped an old sleeping bag, cut through the foot-box following the line of the zip (to create a rectangle) and used silver gaffer tape to seal the resulting holes and keep the insulation inside. I then temporarily clipped the 'hood' of the sleeping bag to the suspension at the foot end of the hammock and created the whipping knots where they needed to be to keep the bag snug to the bottom of the hammock. When finished, I then created another hooked shock cord to more permanently attach the hood to the suspension, so that it doesn't hang down and create an opening.
    I use the term 'permanently' loosely because the whole thing can simply be unclipped and left at home when the weather is warmer. For now though, it remains attached and, with a lot of patience and a slightly modified snakeskin (more gaffer tape), it all squeezes into the one skin.



    I've entirely replaced the stock DD suspension, using a whoopie sling through the end channels and coupling those to some extra long tree straps with a carabiner and marlin's pike (marlin spike?) hitch. In this picture you can see I've used huge bolts as the 'toggle' of the marlin's pike hitch. Not very light but they're what I could find close to my back yard. In the wild, sticks tend to be more available





    I've re-purposed the original suspension webbing to serve as a sort of internal ridge-line/gear hangar/book-rest strung up between the two internal end loops of the mossie net. You can also see here how I've added some hooks and hung my reading light and eye-masks etc, so they're easy to reach but out of the way.
    I've also added lengths of cord to the foot end zips of the bug-net; to make it easier to reach down and zip up.



    Mounting the gear hammock was more of a challenge. Again, I didn't want to have to tie it out to the tree, so I had to find a way to semi-permanently suspend it from the hammock itself. I didn't take good enough pictures of this part, so I'll try to be as clear in my description as possible...


    The mesh hammock has two loops on each end. The main loop is a big, chunky woven thing and there'a a much, much smaller, string loop under that. The main loop is designed to run your webbing/suspension through. I have no idea what the intended use of the other loop is but I'm glad it's there!

    First of all what I did was use some webbing to create a closed loop running through the channels at each end of the main hammock (not pictured, sorry). So basically, the whoopie sling's run through the channels and up toward the tree-straps. When suspended, the slings pull the gathered ends of the hammock really tight. This means you only need a short piece of webbing (less than a foot long), which you can run through the constricted channel and then tie into a loop that hangs limp from the ends of the hammock. Once there, it'll be useful for all sorts of stuff, including hanging a gear hammock!

    Because I wasn't sure about the sag for the gear hammock, I doubled up the green webbing that DD supply with the mesh hammock and tied a series of over hand knots in it about four fingers apart, resulting in a line with a series of loops. I tied off the end of that webbing to the main fixed loop of the mesh hammock, ran it through the new loop I'd added to the main hammock and then pulled it to a point where it seemed snug enough (but not too tight) to the bottom of the hammock and clipped it in place using a lightweight, mini 'biner (cheap, keyring quality, see the picture above), which attaches to the small, secondary fixed loop of the mesh hammock and the nearest loop/knot of my modified webbing. If no knot is close enough to hold it at the right place, simply add another overhand knot where you need it.

    This allows for a semi-permanent, adjustable-on-the-fly suspension from the bottom of the hammock. The whole thing gets sucked up into the hammock sleeve/snake skin along with the hammock and the underquilt.

    To be honest, I thought I would have to adjust it with every different hang or depending on how much gear I have in it but after a few hangs I've managed to find a sweet spot that works all the time without any further input from me and, with the Synmat 7 and a sleeping bag between me and the gear hammock I don't think I ever really had to worry about anything other than making sure I could easily reach into it from within the main hammock. At some point I'll get rid of all that extra webbing (visible in the very first two pictures).



    In this final picture you can see the XL tarp in the context of my back yard. I've used normal tie-out cord (with a self-tensioning shock cord mod) for the four main corners and then copious lengths of shock cord for the inner two tie-out loops, affording me greater flexibility regarding tie out points.



    Drawbacks.

    There are a few drawbacks to using this system.

    1) Unless I can figure out a way to use a fixed ridge line I'll always have to deploy the tarp, if only to make sure I can suspend the bug-net. I originally put the tarp and hammock in seperate skins so that I could hang it ready but not necessarily have to unsheathe it - at the moment I no longer have that option.

    2) I bought this hammock particularly for its ability to convert into a bivvy if there are no trees/suspension points available. Unfortunately, I think the addition of the short webbing loops - used to mount the gear hammock - means that iI can no longer stretch it out and stake it down for use as a bivvy. Furthermore, keeping both the hammock and tarp in sleeves means it'd be a ball-ache to unsheathe them and set them up if there are no available anchor points; so I guess I'm just going to have to keep the tree-line in sight at all times!

    3) Keeping the hammock, under quilt and mesh hammock all together in one modified sleeve (if you must know, I artificially widened one of the 'mouths' by cutting it open and then re-forming it with gaffer tape - it makes it easy to spot the head end if nothing else!), makes for a bulky, hard to pack outfit that seems to take up far more space than the three items packed separately would. Mind you, now I've gone this route, I'd like an even bigger skin so I can lump the Synmat and the tarp all in there in one go!


    You read this far? Wow, well done. Here's some instagram pictures of my setup in a more fitting location:


  2. #2
    dragon360's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Toronto, ON
    Hammock
    WBBB/TR, DIY, HH, SB DL, GT UL
    Tarp
    ID/OES/WB/WL
    Insulation
    HG/WB/Go-Lite/WB
    Suspension
    Whoopie/Straps/DW
    Posts
    6,294
    Images
    1
    I really like how you used the space in the back for a little piece of get-away heaven! But its nice to also see it out in the wild in your last photos!

    Nicely done with thensleeping bag usage.
    The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering. - St. Augustine

    Some people feel the rain. Others just get wet.
    - Bob Marley

  3. #3
    Senior Member NarlocB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Frederick, MD
    Hammock
    DIY (x2), HH and now DD Hammock
    Tarp
    DD Tarp
    Suspension
    Straps/Whoopies
    Posts
    207
    OMG, well done. I had not thought of the mesh hammock as a gear shelf under the hammonck. I currently have a MSS system with the gortex bivy. I put everything in it at night that I don't need but want to keep dry and off the ground.

    I also like the repurpose of the old sleeping back. I am will keep an eye out at garage sales for a cheap one i can cut up and corner. I thought about buying DD's under quilt but have not really want to pull the trigger on that yet. Figure if i spend that kind of money I will just buy some flamerthrower gear.
    When the wife asks, I simply say "Shug made me do it".

  4. #4
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Fernley, NV
    Hammock
    DIY Hennessey
    Tarp
    Warbonnet Edge
    Insulation
    Hammock gear 20
    Suspension
    whoopie slings
    Posts
    28
    Images
    1
    you can fit like seven hammocks under that tarp. ha ha
    I am the all-singing, all-dancing crap of this world.... I am the toxic waste by-product of God's creation. ~Chuck Palahniuk,

  5. #5
    Senior Member Moel Siabod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    UK
    Hammock
    DIY
    Tarp
    Cuben
    Insulation
    Down TQ & UQ
    Suspension
    DIY dyneema whoops
    Posts
    237
    Regarding your mozzie net suspension issues: when hammocking here in the UK I find that just a headnet is adequate, and even then only a few nights of the year. If you are able to detach yours from your hammock you could consider not taking it.
    "Live like you will die tomorrow, but learn like you will live forever." Gandhi

  6. #6
    New Member DanRomani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Newcastle, upon Tyne, UK
    Posts
    48

    Thanks

    Thanks for all your replies!

    The cheap sleeping bag combined with the not-so-cheap camping mattress have kept me warm in autumn and in spring (both of which have literally been freezing cold). I use a 2-3 season bag with a footbox as an over quilt.

    The XL tarp is huge! Probably overkill but I was playing safe, given that it never stops raining in the north of England.

    Good point about the mozzie net: it's not detachable but it's no problem to simply sleep on top of it.

  7. #7
    craige's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Midlothian, Scotland
    Hammock
    DIY End Channel
    Tarp
    DIY Winter tarp
    Insulation
    Zeppelin and sb
    Suspension
    Amsteel UCRs
    Posts
    1,020
    Images
    4

    Re: Pics of my DD setup

    Very nice looking rig, you've obviously put a lot of effort into it and it shows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moel Siabod View Post
    Regarding your mozzie net suspension issues: when hammocking here in the UK I find that just a headnet is adequate, and even then only a few nights of the year. If you are able to detach yours from your hammock you could consider not taking it.
    By the uk you mean England right?? Right?? Lol I can assure you a warmish calm night in many parts of Scotland would soon change your mind when a cloud of midgies comes for you I have literally had to RUN from them before!

  8. #8
    New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Lanarkshire, Scotland
    Hammock
    Travel DD Hammock
    Tarp
    3x3m DD Tarp
    Insulation
    mat& home made U/Q
    Suspension
    straps&karabiners
    Posts
    4

    Midges in Scotland

    I agree a mossie net is a must if up the west coast of Scotland from May to Sept as they will eat you alive and spoil your trip! Wouldn't want to sleep in a head net and the wee beasties get up early for breakfast.
    I have a dd travel and you can just flip your hammock upside down and sleep without being on the net if not in a midge area as you wouldn't want a hole in the netting to let the midges in.
    We have friends up in Argyll that have a midge burner that atracts them and they remove brick shapes of dead ones from the burner every few days!!

  9. #9
    New Member DanRomani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Newcastle, upon Tyne, UK
    Posts
    48
    Hmmmm... I shall have to see if I can flip the hammockover without upsetting the gear hammock. I plan to tour Scotland at the end of May.

    Mind you, it'll probably still be winter in May the way this year is going!

  10. #10
    New Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Lanarkshire, Scotland
    Hammock
    Travel DD Hammock
    Tarp
    3x3m DD Tarp
    Insulation
    mat& home made U/Q
    Suspension
    straps&karabiners
    Posts
    4
    Yes the snow is nearly gone now, but not on the hills, so maybe the midges will be late this year! I got some great ideas from your post. I am new to hammocking and have only been out 3 times so far the last at Easter when the temp was -3 and with wind chill -7. I still have to try and condense everything I take but mostly will be carrying it in a kayak.
    I cut the webbing off my hammock and, just have 2 lenghts through the channels and tied off to a carribinner. I thought if I ever need to use it as a bivi I would attach a piece of para cord to the webbing so
    could pull it back through afterwards. Think it would be a nightmare to try and get a short lengh back through.
    I use tree straps with cinch buckles,a loop of amsteel to a 0 ring and onto my carribinner. Although I cut my webbing close I still find it is at the edge of my 3x3 tarp. A bigger tarp will be nice if you are travelling
    about and the weather changable.Hope you have a great time on your bike travels and the scenery up the west coast is stunning although it's only the west coast that gets midges! Looking forward to your trip report.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •