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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    What, no sex before cigarette? Not even sex in the hammock?
    My wife gets up and goes to work WAY to early to get the ol' mornin' freak on

    Except on the weekends....but then I've been camping a lot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by headchange4u View Post
    He's married (I think). Us married folk don't get a lot of sex, at least from our wives (I'm just kidding. No hate mail)

    I'm married, and can relate!

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    I did a bit of checking into knots and how they affect ropes.
    from Grogs http://www.animatedknots.com/
    Knots Weaken Rope
    They do! A great deal is written about which knots weaken a rope most. An angle, a kink, or a knot, stresses the fibers unevenly and weakens the rope. If this concerns you, you are using rope that's too thin. Although some knots in some ropes are claimed to only weaken a rope to about 80% of its rated strength, other knots weaken a rope to about 50%. It is therefore simpler, and certainly safer, to assume that even brand new rope will perform at no more than 50% of its rated breaking strength. And, if the rope is old, worn, or damaged by sunlight or chemicals - expect considerably less. For some useful test results visit Dave Richards' Knot Break Strength vs Rope Break Strength on the National Speleological Society Website.
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    that's good info drop.
    in the quote you gave, they basically say if you're concerned about the knot weakening the rope, use bigger rope. but for people like us (trying to be efficient w/ our pack weight) we would rather get a little more technical about it.
    so the article you gave a link to is really helpful w/ the comparison charts.
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    That was a real interesting read. Thanks for posting.

    From what they said there is a big variation in terms of type of rope used and more importantly how well the knot was tied. It goes to show that you need to tie a clean knot for best results.

    It looked like the the butterfly knot only weakens around 70-80% with the bowline I was using weaking 63-67%.

    So by changing knots I can gain a 10-20% load rating with the same rope. That was pretty much what I was looking for.

    Yes it is not needed, but like slowhike said It is all about getting the maxium performance out of the equipment we are using.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    The butterfly and bowline are used for different applications. The bowline is used at the end of a line and the butterfly in the middle.

    From the animated knots page:
    True, but stuff like that has never stopped me before.

    I really am only going to use it to tie to the rings and form the loop in my larkshead knot. I haven't tried this yet, but I think I can do this by putting the ring on the rope and tieing it so that it is in the loop. Should work. If not I'll stick with what I am using.
    Is that too much to ask? Girls with frikkin' lasers on their heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    If you are putting the rings at the end of the rope, then you would be better served by the round turn and 2 half hitches.

    http://www.animatedknots.com/roundtu...matedknots.com
    You need to come to one of the campouts and give a knot class!! I'd definitely sit in for that one! I got the basics in Scouts, but you've got this down to a science!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    If you are putting the rings at the end of the rope, then you would be better served by the round turn and 2 half hitches.

    http://www.animatedknots.com/roundtu...matedknots.com
    Works great on my set-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    If you are putting the rings at the end of the rope, then you would be better served by the round turn and 2 half hitches.

    http://www.animatedknots.com/roundtu...matedknots.com
    Looks like the anchor hitch that I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeDee View Post
    But then one reason I went into physics instead of medicine is that in physics it wouldn't be necessary to regurgitate facts from memory - it is surprising how little memorization is really necessary in physics and how easy it is to re-derive from basics when you have been down the derivation road once
    Y'know, as many physicists as I've heard say that, it never stops being funny That's precisely why I don't like biology or chemistry, and also precisely the basis for my signature
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