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    Quote Originally Posted by sturgeon View Post
    Nice looking site and products. Beautiful cat cut tarp.

    Any plans for a bugnet fo the hammock?
    seconded. I think the site design is very efficient and pleasing for navigation. The tarp looks very nice, but any plans for bug nets?

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    If you want an honest consumer opinion, here goes: I wouldn't buy anything orange to be in the outdoors with. Second, your tarp doesn't even include guylines or stow away guyline pockets offered by Hennessey. The suspension looks terrible and wire gate carbineers are cheap and aren't durable. No ridge line? I could buy an Eno for a fraction of your price and they have a reputable name. Also, the hammock looks huge. I'd hate to lug that thing around. Sorry if I sound harsh, but you came on the forum to sell a sub par product, not to talk about a hobby with other enthusiasts.
    Last edited by green1210; 05-03-2013 at 07:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green1210 View Post
    If you want an honest consumer opinion, here goes: I wouldn't buy anything orange to be in the outdoors with. Second, your tarp doesn't even include guylines or stow away guyline pockets offered by Hennessey. The suspension looks terrible and wire gate carbineers are cheap and aren't durable. No ridge line? I could buy an Eno for a fraction of your price and they have a reputable name. Also, the hammock looks huge. I'd hate to lug that thing around. Sorry if I sound harsh, but you came on the forum to sell a sub par product, not to talk about a hobby with other enthusiasts.
    Wow friend, you packed a lot of negative thoughts into that one little paragraph. Perhaps there's a better way to question some of the features and specs without being so harsh. I personally have never seen one of these and doubt I ever will, but I would encourage you to be a little kinder in your approach.

    Just some of my own thoughts.
    - Honest consumer opinion? You have purchased and tried this product?
    - Only the stuff sack is orange, right?
    - How many tarps include the guylines or pockets?
    - Is ENO's suspension better?
    - How many Black Diamond Neutrino Carabiners have you broken?
    - Does a reputable name like ENO provide a ridgeline?
    - ENO DN is also $69.95 on their website?
    - 132" x 60" is huge, but 112" x 74" isn't?
    - 20 oz vs 19.3 oz is actually very close?
    Last edited by PapaSmurf; 05-03-2013 at 08:26.

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    Couldn't agree more with you PapaSmurf.
    "May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view."-Edward Abbey

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    Appa vs Eno?

    Not exactly pay for view.

    I agree with Papa. This is a kind forum, but vendors need to do their homework as much as hangers do....maybe more, if they intend to be successful. I'll probably never see out from the inside of either of these hammocks. (Spend too much time on the DH website drooling).

    Save the discussion for a title bout.

    Or at least throw a Snipe in the ring witha WWM and have them shred it out
    This place you say your lookin' for
    It might have washed out with the rain
    Might not be there anymore
    Might not be the same

    Top that rise and face the pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
    Wow friend, you packed a lot of negative thoughts into that one little paragraph. Perhaps there's a better way to question some of the features and specs without being so harsh. I personally have never seen one of these and doubt I ever will, but I would encourage you to be a little kinder in your approach.

    Just some of my own thoughts.
    - Honest consumer opinion? You have purchased and tried this product?
    - Only the stuff sack is orange, right?
    - How many tarps include the guylines or pockets?
    - Is ENO's suspension better?
    - How many Black Diamond Neutrino Carabiners have you broken?
    - Does a reputable name like ENO provide a ridgeline?
    - ENO DN is also $69.95 on their website?
    - 132" x 60" is huge, but 112" x 74" isn't?
    - 20 oz vs 19.3 oz is actually very close?


    A consumer is a buyer of goods and services. As a consumer I have chosen not to buy their products based on what was advertised on their website. I recently purchased a Hennessy Hex on Amazon for $65 which includes tie outs and pockets. You're right, the Eno does retail for $70. However, I purchased one from Rei for around $40 with my 20% annual discount and dividends. I'm not sure what kind of discounts this particular hammock maker offers. No suspension is better than one that was paid for and needs to be replaced. About the carbineers, I climb wood and steel for a living as a lineman and use carbineers for a variety of functions, and in ten years in the business have never seen a wire gate on the job.

    Sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm tired of be hawked products that use "made in America" as its first and biggest selling point. Why don't you try making a quality and innovative product at a competitive price (not saying these hammocks aren't) and as a side note, point out its made in America.

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    Good hammocks don't need discounts.

    Jus sayin'
    This place you say your lookin' for
    It might have washed out with the rain
    Might not be there anymore
    Might not be the same

    Top that rise and face the pain

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    Just to say, I was very impressed with the quality and forethought put into these products. The owner I met at the Smoked Butt Hang was very friendly and open to suggestions. I do not think that the hammocks are very different or innovative per se, but this is an alternative I'd recommend before I'd look at an ENO. YMMV, but this is my opinion from my first hand experience.

    Also as a rock climber for several years, I was used to using wire gate carabiners to reduce weight and have taken many a fall on them from 20' or more and they held just fine. Aren't industrial use and military grade carabiners over designed? Maybe I'm misinformed.

    Thank you all for sharing your opinion so that upcoming consumers will be able to see the varying opinions before making their own decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolloff View Post
    Good hammocks don't need discounts.

    Jus sayin'
    No they don't, but competitive retailers offer them for some unknown reason. I think I might have slept through that lecture in Marketing 101. I'm getting the feeling some of you did as well.

    I'll shut up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolloff View Post
    .... vendors need to do their homework as much as hangers do....maybe more, if they intend to be successful.
    Quote Originally Posted by green1210 View Post
    Why don't you try making a quality and innovative product at a competitive price (not saying these hammocks aren't) and as a side note, point out its made in America.
    Two very good points. Very fair and yet void of harsh words.

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