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    kammok older carabiners not safe

    I own many hammocks and I purchased this one for my daughter. Largely due to claims of how overbuilt and safe it was.
    If you own this hammock, replace the carabiners. They are not safe.

    I test all my hangs and the last one failed. Nobody was seriously hurt. I can think of many situations where I have hung in this hammock where I deffinitely would have been, or my daughter would have been.

    I weigh 175 and here is a picture of the failure. You can see the second one is also on its way to fail.


    Edited title to more accurately reflect problem.
    Last edited by Tredge; 05-26-2013 at 21:52.

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    I would like to point out that the hammock did not fail here. The Chinese made garbage excuse for a carabiner did. I would also like to recommend to everyone using hardware for their suspensions to make sure that the hardware is not only rated, but marked clearly on it. Most small carabiners are not load bearing and are for key chain use only. If it is not marked on the hardware, don't trust it. I know many of you look at weights for every piece of gear you use. But, sometimes you have to get a slightly heavier item to make sure that you don't have a failure. There are many aluminum carabiners on the market that are very strong and rated to haul a horse. There are also many that are not.

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    WoW! I have biners like these and they are only rated for 100 pounds.
    I wouldn't dear sell them for life support.
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    I do think thhe thread title is accurate in that the biners are included by kammock and are necessary to hang it. Kammock has upgraded their suspension recenly. Maybe its because of other similar failures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    I do think thhe thread title is accurate in that the biners are included by kammock and are necessary to hang it. Kammock has upgraded their suspension recenly. Maybe its because of other similar failures.
    Maybe they included the biners as a separate gift, in order to hang a ridge line or something. Are the biners marked with a weight limit or do they say, "Not for Climbing" on the other side?
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    They say rated for 250 lbs and are not for climbing.
    they come with the hammock pre-attached as the primary attachment point. I saw the rating but was unaware they were unsafe. I had no reason not to trust them till now.

    picture of the other side with rating.


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    Could you include something in your picture for scale? (like a pencil or your hand) Also, could you disclose more info about the test setup? I'm just curious...

    I also rockclimb, if you want safe biners, check for a UIAA marking or CE (however, check if its the correct one). Most climbing biners are rated to 22-28KN. You can suspend a Ford Focus from these.
    If you don't want the bulk, some companies also manufacture auxiliary gear biners wich are lighter and smaller but still made by a company that has the knowhow and responsibility...

    edit: forgot to add: simply mentioning a rating is no guarantee. If it's not supervised by a governing body like with UIAA or CE (don't know the US equivalent, but UIAA is international) it doesn't mean a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tredge View Post
    They say rated for 250 lbs and are not for climbing.
    they come with the hammock pre-attached as the primary attachment point. I saw the rating but was unaware they were unsafe. I had no reason not to trust them till now.

    picture of the other side with rating.

    Yip. I would have hung off them too if they said 250lb rating. Crap! I hung off a 300ft cliff last year. Glad I was using BD wire gate biners and not these.
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    Yup, the binners are the problem not the hammock. I just checked Kammock's site and they are showing a different style binner.

    The revolutionary Kanga Claw is a wire gate carabiner made from hot forged aerospace grade aluminum. Engineered for the everyday adventurer or the extreme climber, it can be used with all Kammok camping hammocks, or as a full strength quick-draw carabiner. The Kanga Claw's dual chambered patent-pending design ensures your climbing rope or webbing is always kept aligned with the strongest axis (22 kN breaking strength).
    I would asked them to replace the old binners.

    Note, I just watched their "how to set up the hammock" video and it shows them using binners looking very similar to the ones show by Tredge.
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    Did this happen with the wire gate closed?
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