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    Yep, my hanging from biners are climbers, as are my rings; I use 4 descender rings as my "ring buckles". I think the weakest link in my hanging set up, not counting the trees & actual hammock, will stand about 1200 Lbs. Knock on wood, I'm not very likely to go to ground from the failure of: ridgeline, rings, biners or webbing.
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    I've used the biners I could get for the steepest discount. I have some wire gates and some smaller ones in a brand I can't pronounce - climbing biners work fine, not even any deformation on the biner.

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    I'm not worried about mine failing or anything, I was just more curious to see if any did fail for any reasons. It's good to know that it is rare if existant at all.
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    Over 35 or so years ago when I lived and climbed in the East a guy was killed on Seneca Rocks W VA as a result of possible biner failure and/or due to improper arrangement of rappel gear-biner-clothing (etc). Biners are stronger when the gate is closed.

    This is a long time ago but recall that it was thought the biner opened somehow then failed ... supposed to use extra strong locking biners for raps ... he didn't. I think it was determined that the biner had been damaged prior to the incident. That's how I recall it.

    Other than sticky gates and extremely infrequent problems with some placement situations very few problems with even the old oval biners.

    Your climbing rated biners are probably the strongest part of your gear.
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    Climbing biners are rated in kilo-newtons (kN). These ratings are listed on the spine of the biner. Most will list the spine (highest #) gate (lowest #) and heel rating. 1 kN is = to approx 225lbs of force. My Black Diamond biners are 27kN at the spine (opposite of the opening) more than enough to hold my 175lbs. Over kill?? maybe but I dont trust any biner that doesnt list their kN rating. Any biner should be treated with care dont bang them against rocks and also give a quick visual inspection as often as poss.

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    I figure the best knot obtainable on an 1100# strap (or rope) to be the weak link not a common 600# LL Bean carabiner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dually View Post
    I figure the best knot obtainable on an 1100# strap (or rope) to be the weak link not a common 600# LL Bean carabiner.
    Most people are using ring buckles with this setup so theres no knot on that side of the equation. Then on the other side of the buckles it's usually two larksheads....with doubled over rope so I'd imagine it's still as strong as a single line. Either way the weakest link in a solid hammock setup like this is probably the hammock material itself.

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    hehehe... if there is no knot on the side of the ring buckles you could be in for quite a surprise. For your own sake and the sake of your sleep... tie a half hitch safety knot at the ring buckle. Some folks don't seem to need it and I didn't during several ins and outs of the hammock. Until about 12:30 am when I got dumped on my noggin and had to have my colleagues help me get out of the collapsed hammock. It was not a pretty sight

    While I grant you the kinot does not weaken the webbing in all probability it is a good thing to have.
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