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    PLUQ - suspension discomfort?

    Over the weekend I picked up a poncho liner and made myself a PLUQ using the "no sew version 2" method (separate gathering cords and suspension cords).

    Decided to give it a try tonight in the basement with my ENO DN. I attached the shock cords to the suspension clips, cinched it tight, cinched the gathering cords tight, and climbed in... Only to discover that laying on a slant leads to suspension cords across my forehead! This took just a few minute to start giving me a headache...
    What did I do wrong?

    Here are some pics:

    Here the cord is running across my head:


    Here is the setup:




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    I've had that same problem with different UQ's. Usually I shift the quilt down a little and try to use my pillow to hold the cord down. If that doesn't work you can use a quilt hook or small carabiner attached to the edge of the hammock material to hold the cord down.
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    Drawing the UQ suspension cords tight enough for a snug fit adversely effected the lay of my hammock as well. Here's my solution.
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    Hard to tell from the picture, but did you fold the UQ along the width and not the length? If you fold it so it is longer and narrower, it might put the suspension point further away from your head.

    Another option is to adjust the angle of your UQ suspension so that it is pulling more towards the ridgeline and not towards the end of the hammock. This gets the suspension lines out of your way and can also help snug up the underquilt a little better.

    In the first pic you can see the camo line which is larks headed to the hammock suspension connected to one side of the s-biner which is also clipped to the ridgeline. Then the UQ suspension is clipped to the other side of the s-biner. You can adjust the length of the attachment point until you find a spot you are happy with.

    Second pic you can see butterfly loop knot in ridgeline with s-biner used to connect UQ suspension, once you get the correct placement worked out.

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    I had a similar issue (though at the other end of the hammock; my calf, ankle, or foot was uncomfortable depending on how I was lying) until I ran across Scum's suspension system. I highly recommend it, both for this and for the convenience of adjustment from the hammock.

    Your problem could also be solved with triangle thingies to change the suspension angle.

    Hope it helps!
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    I've never made a poncho liner UQ, but I don't think you did anything "wrong". If so someone who has can point that out.

    I think now you're at the point where you need to dial in your suspension. Due to all the different variables in individual setups (hammock dimensions, RL length, UQ dimensions, body dimensions, shockcord strength etc etc) the chances of getting it hung perfectly the first time are slim (IMO).

    It took me a while and a few trips adjusting things here and there and modifying the suspension on my DIY UQ to give it that perfect fit. Now that it's "dialed in" I just attach it to the hammock, make a few small adjustments here and there and it's ready to go.

    I'll +1 FLRiders suggestions:

    For the cord across the head issue, you can change the angle of the shockcord to a more comfortable position by a couple of different methods. You can try using a small biner on a prussic attached to the RL (https://www.hammockforums.net/galler...&cutoffdate=-1) , and Triangle thingies made from mason line or other light cord http://www.arrowhead-equipment.com/u...9_orig.png?371 And there's probably other ways out there I haven't tried.....yet. Try a few and see what works best for you. You may also want to look at the Leighlo suspension - it's up next on my list of mods. http://www.hammockquilts.com/techinfo.htm
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    Thanks for all of the suggestions everyone! I've got a lot of things to try now.

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous View Post
    I've had that same problem with different UQ's. Usually I shift the quilt down a little and try to use my pillow to hold the cord down. If that doesn't work you can use a quilt hook or small carabiner attached to the edge of the hammock material to hold the cord down.
    I tried tucking it under the pillow I was using (a slightly inflated neck pillow) but it was still not great. I'll have to look at using a biner to hold it down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Passinthru View Post
    Drawing the UQ suspension cords tight enough for a snug fit adversely effected the lay of my hammock as well. Here's my solution.
    Wow, that looks great! I'm hoping for a simpler solution for the time being - until I decide for sure if the "hammock life" is for me like I want it to be!

    Quote Originally Posted by TomS View Post
    Hard to tell from the picture, but did you fold the UQ along the width and not the length? If you fold it so it is longer and narrower, it might put the suspension point further away from your head.

    Another option is to adjust the angle of your UQ suspension so that it is pulling more towards the ridgeline and not towards the end of the hammock. This gets the suspension lines out of your way and can also help snug up the underquilt a little better.

    In the first pic you can see the camo line which is larks headed to the hammock suspension connected to one side of the s-biner which is also clipped to the ridgeline. Then the UQ suspension is clipped to the other side of the s-biner. You can adjust the length of the attachment point until you find a spot you are happy with.

    Second pic you can see butterfly loop knot in ridgeline with s-biner used to connect UQ suspension, once you get the correct placement worked out.

    -- Tom
    Mine is done "shorter and wider" following the "2/3 no sew" directions, I wasn't sure if going the other way would make it too narrow?
    Great ideas there with s-biner and clipping to the ridgeline, that looks like it would really improve the angle of the suspension.

    Quote Originally Posted by FLRider View Post
    I had a similar issue (though at the other end of the hammock; my calf, ankle, or foot was uncomfortable depending on how I was lying) until I ran across Scum's suspension system. I highly recommend it, both for this and for the convenience of adjustment from the hammock.

    Your problem could also be solved with triangle thingies to change the suspension angle.

    Hope it helps!
    scum's suspension idea looks like it could solve the problem, and I was wondering what "triangle thingies" were for - I saw a thread about making them but couldn't find a reference to how they were used, but I'm getting it now. Looks like those are both something to try.
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyHiker View Post
    I've never made a poncho liner UQ, but I don't think you did anything "wrong". If so someone who has can point that out.

    I think now you're at the point where you need to dial in your suspension. Due to all the different variables in individual setups (hammock dimensions, RL length, UQ dimensions, body dimensions, shockcord strength etc etc) the chances of getting it hung perfectly the first time are slim (IMO).

    It took me a while and a few trips adjusting things here and there and modifying the suspension on my DIY UQ to give it that perfect fit. Now that it's "dialed in" I just attach it to the hammock, make a few small adjustments here and there and it's ready to go.

    I'll +1 FLRiders suggestions:

    For the cord across the head issue, you can change the angle of the shockcord to a more comfortable position by a couple of different methods. You can try using a small biner on a prussic attached to the RL (https://www.hammockforums.net/galler...&cutoffdate=-1) , and Triangle thingies made from mason line or other light cord http://www.arrowhead-equipment.com/u...9_orig.png?371 And there's probably other ways out there I haven't tried.....yet. Try a few and see what works best for you. You may also want to look at the Leighlo suspension - it's up next on my list of mods. http://www.hammockquilts.com/techinfo.htm
    Great, thanks for the links! I was hoping to be lucky and just have everything work right away
    Triangle thingies make a lot of sense now that I see them in that diagram from arrowhead equipment.


    Thanks again everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTAaron
    scum's suspension idea looks like it could solve the problem, and I was wondering what "triangle thingies" were for - I saw a thread about making them but couldn't find a reference to how they were used, but I'm getting it now. Looks like those are both something to try.
    Triangle thingies do pretty much what the outermost Prusik loops do in Scum's suspension. They change the angle of the suspension to be deeper, making for more lifting of the underquilt without having to pull the suspension quite as tight. They should work for the issue you're having, but won't provide the easy adjustment that Scum's does. On the other hand, they should weigh slightly less (as the extra shock cord needed for the Scum suspension is heavier than plain old mason's line that you can make triangle thingies out of).

    Hope it helps!
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    Thanks a lot, that does help quite a bit.
    I'm actually thinking of ordering some from Arrowhead Equipment - just to take the guess work out of things.

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    PLUQ - suspension discomfort?

    Tonight I tried something similar to what TomS suggested with the S biner but used the tail end of my Atlas strap in place of the camo cord... MUCH BETTER!
    I'm assuming I got things closer to "right" since I started watching TV and snored myself awake at 2:30am! Basement stays a constant 65, and my back was plenty warm.

    Now I just need to find something convenient to carry to put under my knees to keep from flaring sciatic nerve woke up with a numb foot, but that's not a suspension issue.
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