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    Just throwing this out there FWIW

    Noob=Ignorant and unwilling to learn
    Newb=Uneducated but willing to learn

    One is derogatory, the other is not.

    OP is clearly the latter (willing to learn). Internet lingo is strange and connotation is everything. Such terms IMO should be used with care as you can easily offend without intent.
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    Re: Kammok - Where is the love?

    I think both are derogatory if imposed on someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainm View Post
    I think both are derogatory if imposed on someone else.
    And I think you've derailed this thread enough.
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    Dragging it back on track.

    As someone who has never seen a Kammock in person, just how different is their touted 'lunarweave' ripstop from traditional ripstop? Does the unique crosshatching actually alter the fabric in any meaningful way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    Dragging it back on track.

    As someone who has never seen a Kammock in person, just how different is their touted 'lunarweave' ripstop from traditional ripstop? Does the unique crosshatching actually alter the fabric in any meaningful way?
    It is rated for 500 pounds and it is supposedly tested at 900 pounds, so there has to be something to it. It feels pretty good against the skin as well. The guys that work there seem to be good folks too. I think that I read that they had plans for a lightweight hammock in the future. I would be curious about that one. From my experience, the Kammock materials and construction are top notch. It is built to last more than be lightweight. It's all according to what you want I guess. I have a roo, biners, python straps and the racer slings by the way. I did not buy it. It is a nice setup, but it is just not my thing. I would say that Kammock has one of the highest build qualities for the foreign made hammock companies. I mainly use it for a loaner and for demo purposes, or hanging in my yard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfastronomical View Post
    It is rated for 500 pounds and it is supposedly tested at 900 pounds, so there has to be something to it. It feels pretty good against the skin as well. The guys that work there seem to be good folks too. I think that I read that they had plans for a lightweight hammock in the future. I would be curious about that one. From my experience, the Kammock materials and construction are top notch. It is built to last more than be lightweight. It's all according to what you want I guess. I have a roo, biners, python straps and the racer slings by the way. I did not buy it. It is a nice setup, but it is just not my thing. I would say that Kammock has one of the highest build qualities for the foreign made hammock companies. I mainly use it for a loaner and for demo purposes, or hanging in my yard.

    Nice to know, and seems to be a fair description, from an actual user.
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    From all the things I've read, there has never been an issue with Kammock's quality except for the biners that came with it before they switched to better ones. It's always been about weight, bulk and cost. For a backyard or for someone who cares little about any or all of these factors, it's fine. In the end it's about what the user gets out if it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    Dragging it back on track.

    As someone who has never seen a Kammock in person, just how different is their touted 'lunarweave' ripstop from traditional ripstop? Does the unique crosshatching actually alter the fabric in any meaningful way?
    Most of the detractors here have really valid points about weight, backpacking preferences, etc...

    But as for the fabric, it really is pretty great. Super comfortable and strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfastronomical View Post
    It is rated for 500 pounds and it is supposedly tested at 900 pounds, so there has to be something to it.
    If by "tested" you mean that's the breaking strength, then those numbers are not a-typical, most companies do not list a breaking strength for their hammocks but if they did, i'd expect any nylon fabric in that weight range to be at-least that strength if not alot more, i've loaded a brand new single 1.1 blackbird with almost 1200 lbs before failure occured, and all that weight was on only about a 16" wide strip of fabric, so 900 lbs breaking strength for a fabric in the 2.5-3oz range doesn't mean the fabric is any stronger than normal. in general the weave has very little to do with strength, more important factors are the type of nylon, it's threadcount and the fabric weight, special weave not as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbonnetguy View Post
    If by "tested" you mean that's the breaking strength, then those numbers are not a-typical, most companies do not list a breaking strength for their hammocks but if they did, i'd expect any nylon fabric in that weight range to be at-least that strength if not alot more, i've loaded a brand new single 1.1 blackbird with almost 1200 lbs before failure occured, and all that weight was on only about a 16" wide strip of fabric, so 900 lbs breaking strength for a fabric in the 2.5-3oz range doesn't mean the fabric is any stronger than normal. in general the weave has very little to do with strength, more important factors are the type of nylon, it's threadcount and the fabric weight, special weave not as much.
    Good point. I do not remember where these numbers came from. I either read it, or was told this by the company's owner. I will try to look to see if the 900# was max load strength or break strength...I suppose that is why the "weight rating" is relative to real world humans weights and angles, instead of the actual break strength of the fabric. I actually wish that I could get some of this proprietary fabric...It does feel really good against the skin.
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