Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Maryland
    Hammock
    Darien UL
    Tarp
    HG Cuben Hex
    Insulation
    HG Down
    Suspension
    Dynaglide UCR's
    Posts
    5,259

    2QZQ Custom Cuben Grizz Beak

    As everyone knows 2QZQ (Tim and Donna) make extremely high quality gear, and that they have entered into the cuben market with their famed Grizz Beak now being made in the new age fabric "Cuben", yep thats right 2QZQ is now making their famed and renowned Grizz Beak in Cuben.

    At first they had made only one size which is an exact copy of the Sil version. I had mentioned to them that people choose Cuben to cut weight, why else would one pay that much for it when Sil works very well for it's intended purpose. Well they humored me and said "what do you have in mind", my reply was why not make it custom sized for the tarp so one doesn't need to carry extra stakes (increased weight), also changing the size would end up making it lighter (less fabric means less weight). I mentioned that the two biggest hammock tarp makers one being our very own HammockGear and the other Z-Packs, that they both made hex tarps at the same width (while other dimensional specs may be slightly different) the width aspect is paramount to a proper fit of the re-sized beak.

    They seemed to be very interested in my suggestion, and agreed that the market showed a sign that others would find this item of interest, especially since the UltraLight craze has hit the hammocking world at great lengths as of late. So we went back and fourth about size, use, and set-up. A prototype was made and shipped off to me, also want to make note at this time that "I have paid for this product out of my own money, and have not received anything for free"!!!! This review and statements are of my own.

    I received the first edition and took it for a test, ended up sending it back for some modifications, and adjustments till we reached the final version which is pictured below. One previous version was sized exactly to the Hex tarp, yet with cuben if you are not 10000000000000000% accurate it will not fit correctly, having cuben attached to cuben with no manner or allowance for give is extremely difficult. Due to this I had one final cut made to the beak, this was making it slightly smaller than the tarp and using the manner of attachment as the means for give. My method of attachment went through several different trials, at first I tried to use loops with Dutch Ti Hooks attached at the ends so that set up and attachment to the tarp at the tie outs could be as fast, easy, and light. I later found out that for some reason the hooks were causing the cuben to lay funny and did not provide an acceptable pitch. So I then tried loops of shockcord with the use of the Ti Hooks, which proved to be fast and easy, yet for some reason still wanted to turn and caused a funny pitch. The final trial (which worked beautifully) was to just use the shockcord by itself and feed the tarps tie out through the loop of shockcord, and that my friends was all she wrote, as you can see in the pictures below the pitch was very good, I think with more time setting it up it will become exceptional, you know the more you mess with your gear and set it up the better you get!?!?!?

    The manner for attachment at the ridgeline is rather simple, all I used was a loop of 1.25 z-line with a Dutch Ti Hook and hooked it too my tarps ridgeline, easy peasy! On the tie outs of the beak I used some 1.2 tech line from DIYGearSupply for the prussics and 1.25 z-line for the tie out lines, on the end of each line I tied a loop which would connect to the shockcord loop via a Dutch Ti Hook. What I did was feed the shockcord through the tarps D ring and then hook the hook to the 1.25 line, by doing this it allowed the stretch needed to get the beak taut, and not pull the tarp at a funny angle, so each piece remained as taut as intended. This manner of attachment was only used for when I wanted to close the end up completely. When I wanted to have the vestibule space I took the tarps tie out and fed it through the loop of shockcord which then anchored the beak to teh tarp, then all that was left was to stake out the beak.

    The beak can be set-up with no additional stakes needed (as long as you are comfortable with having the end fully closed), but if you should want you can set it up with a vestibule and use only one stake, which provides a very nice amount of useable space for gear.

    The weight for my beak is 1.4oz, this includes three Dutch Ti Hooks, two loops of 1/16" shock cord, two 3ft tie out lines made from 1.25 z-line (with the 1.2 tech line prussics) and a mini cuben stuff sack.

    I think that this beak will be a wonderful addition, and allow me to have a tarp that I can either take by itself, take with one beak, or soon will be able to close off both ends (once I receive my second beak, that I just paid for). This will make for a very versatile weather system, and still have the ability to go as light as I choose, but add that bit of modularity that one cannot get with attached doors (no beak, one beak or two).

    In closing I want to thank Tim and Donna for their outstanding work, patience (must have a lot to work with me), and their understanding. It has been a pleasure to work with you both, and I hope that others can enjoy your productions as much as I have, and will continue to have.

    If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask but I will defer and refer any question(s) regarding price, manufacturing process and materials used too 2QZQ. Which I am sure they will respond as promptly and thoroughly as they can. If I have anything else to add (think of anything else) or someone sparks something of interest I will post below (will not just add to this post).
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Formerly known as "Cranky Bear"....

    "yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift---thats why its called a present" - Master Oogway

    It's always best if your an early riser!

    I like hiking as it's like exercise!

    My Blog

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    NC
    Hammock
    WBBB XLC 1.7d
    Tarp
    HG WinterPalace
    Suspension
    straps whoopie
    Posts
    198
    very nice post

  3. #3
    Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Maryland
    Hammock
    Darien UL
    Tarp
    HG Cuben Hex
    Insulation
    HG Down
    Suspension
    Dynaglide UCR's
    Posts
    5,259
    Quote Originally Posted by canoe View Post
    very nice post
    Thank you, I just tried to do justice to the wonderful product I had gotten from 2QZQ.
    Formerly known as "Cranky Bear"....

    "yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift---thats why its called a present" - Master Oogway

    It's always best if your an early riser!

    I like hiking as it's like exercise!

    My Blog

  4. #4
    2Questions's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Lititz, PA
    Hammock
    HH Explorer w/ Zipper Mod #4
    Tarp
    ZQ Special w/mods
    Insulation
    Down
    Suspension
    Slings/straps
    Posts
    2,395
    Images
    146
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    In closing I want to thank Tim and Donna for their outstanding work, patience (must have a lot to work with me), and their understanding. It has been a pleasure to work with you both, and I hope that others can enjoy your productions as much as I have, and will continue to have.
    Donna here...You're quite welcome. It was a pleasure working with you also!
    2QZQ Hammock Specialties
    Specializing in:
    Hennessy Hammock zipper modifications
    Sewn on Tarp doors, Pole Pockets, and Grizz Beaks
    Ridgeline and gear organizers, peak storage bags, UQ protectors,
    and More!

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is.... genius has its limits" - Albert Einstein

  5. #5
    2Questions's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Lititz, PA
    Hammock
    HH Explorer w/ Zipper Mod #4
    Tarp
    ZQ Special w/mods
    Insulation
    Down
    Suspension
    Slings/straps
    Posts
    2,395
    Images
    146
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask but I will defer and refer any question(s) regarding price, manufacturing process and materials used too 2QZQ. Which I am sure they will respond as promptly and thoroughly as they can. If I have anything else to add (think of anything else) or someone sparks something of interest I will post below (will not just add to this post).
    Donna again! These Beaks are available now. Our website states they are "coming soon". We were waiting for Yoda's final OK. Until Tim gets a chance to change the status...if interested in ordering, let us know in the comments box. Thanks!
    2QZQ Hammock Specialties
    Specializing in:
    Hennessy Hammock zipper modifications
    Sewn on Tarp doors, Pole Pockets, and Grizz Beaks
    Ridgeline and gear organizers, peak storage bags, UQ protectors,
    and More!

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is.... genius has its limits" - Albert Einstein

  6. #6
    Two Tents's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Hadley, Pa.
    Hammock
    Wilderness Logic Night OWL
    Tarp
    WL Tadpole
    Insulation
    Pheonix 3s, te-wa
    Suspension
    Whoopies
    Posts
    955
    Here's my story; I'd contacted ZQ at the first hint that a cuben Grizz Beak was in R&D. I asked Donna to put me on the list for when they were going to be up for sale. Lucky me! I won a Cuben Grizz Beak at the Spring 2013 MAHHA! Thanks to Hammock Gear for the cuben fabric donation and Donna's ( ZQ ), her skill. It is very effective at storm control. I enjoy using this fine UL addition to my tarp. Thanks and thumbs up! TT approved!
    I like refried beans. That's why I wanna try fried beans, because maybe they're just as good and we're just wasting time. You don't have to fry them again after all.

  7. #7

    few questions...comments.

    Great product and a great photo shoot! So are the "doors" shock corded at the end/base so you could just spread them apart and walk thru them? I did that on my syl tarp and it works well. It does take enough free length of shock cord to enough flex. Taking it around the end stake and then down the side to the next stake adds some material weight, but far more stretch to the cord. Another short connection might be good for real stormy weather?
    Also, are you using some kind of button or stiff tubing cross bar to make disconnecting quick and easy? Sometimes when you wait too long...you need to get out fast!

  8. #8
    2Questions's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Lititz, PA
    Hammock
    HH Explorer w/ Zipper Mod #4
    Tarp
    ZQ Special w/mods
    Insulation
    Down
    Suspension
    Slings/straps
    Posts
    2,395
    Images
    146
    Quote Originally Posted by 4 dog knight View Post
    Great product and a great photo shoot! So are the "doors" shock corded at the end/base so you could just spread them apart and walk thru them? I did that on my syl tarp and it works well. It does take enough free length of shock cord to enough flex. Taking it around the end stake and then down the side to the next stake adds some material weight, but far more stretch to the cord. Another short connection might be good for real stormy weather?
    Also, are you using some kind of button or stiff tubing cross bar to make disconnecting quick and easy? Sometimes when you wait too long...you need to get out fast!
    Donna here...I have been waiting for Yoda to chime in here since he started the thread and would be the one to answer your questions. He can be very busy with his work schedule. Please send him a PM and let him know you have some questions. Thanks!
    2QZQ Hammock Specialties
    Specializing in:
    Hennessy Hammock zipper modifications
    Sewn on Tarp doors, Pole Pockets, and Grizz Beaks
    Ridgeline and gear organizers, peak storage bags, UQ protectors,
    and More!

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is.... genius has its limits" - Albert Einstein

  9. #9
    SwinginIt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Cleveland, Ga
    Hammock
    Darien UL
    Tarp
    HG Cuben Hex
    Insulation
    WL SSUQ/HG TQ
    Suspension
    Dyna Whoopies
    Posts
    1,153
    Quote Originally Posted by 4 dog knight View Post
    Great product and a great photo shoot! So are the "doors" shock corded at the end/base so you could just spread them apart and walk thru them? I did that on my syl tarp and it works well. It does take enough free length of shock cord to enough flex. Taking it around the end stake and then down the side to the next stake adds some material weight, but far more stretch to the cord. Another short connection might be good for real stormy weather?
    Also, are you using some kind of button or stiff tubing cross bar to make disconnecting quick and easy? Sometimes when you wait too long...you need to get out fast!
    I haven't played with these near as much as Yoda but, I have a 12" loop of shock cord attached to the beak tie out then the other end of the loop is attached to a mini line loc. The mini line loc has about a 3' piece of Z-line attached using Shane's Method that then goes to the stake. I haven't really been able to get out and put it to the test but that's the same method I use on my tarp with doors and it works great.
    "As a well spent day brings happy sleep, a well spent life brings happy death." -Da Vinci

  10. #10
    Yoda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Maryland
    Hammock
    Darien UL
    Tarp
    HG Cuben Hex
    Insulation
    HG Down
    Suspension
    Dynaglide UCR's
    Posts
    5,259
    Quote Originally Posted by 4 dog knight View Post
    Great product and a great photo shoot! So are the "doors" shock corded at the end/base so you could just spread them apart and walk thru them? I did that on my syl tarp and it works well. It does take enough free length of shock cord to enough flex. Taking it around the end stake and then down the side to the next stake adds some material weight, but far more stretch to the cord. Another short connection might be good for real stormy weather?
    Also, are you using some kind of button or stiff tubing cross bar to make disconnecting quick and easy? Sometimes when you wait too long...you need to get out fast!

    Sorry been very busy, and I totally missed your post, my apologies....

    So to answer your question, No...

    What I did was at the corner of the CGB (cuben grizz beak) that attaches to the corner of the tarp (at the tarps tie out) I used some thin shock cord (1/16") and put a Dutch Hook on it (the shock cord was tied in a loop), then I used some line with adjustment via prussic's on the beak tie out's.

    What I normally do is close off one end of the tarp using the CGB (usually the head end, so I can store my pack and all my gear there and be in easy arms reach from the hammock), then on the foot end I was able to close one half of the beak and leave the other half open (or partially open) what this enabled was for me to enter and exit with ease, offered a superior amount of weather protection (not completely shut off, but darn close), and allowed some manner of ventilation (I sleep very warm, almost hot so the more ventilation the better for me). Just make sure to open the proper side, don't want it to become a wind sail or have wind blown rain blown in when it should have been blocked.

    At the ridgeline I used a small loop of cord with a Dutch Hook for the attachment. Again weight was a factor, and I could surely use a stick to act as a toggle.

    See the pictures from my OP for a better view just click on them and it should open up in a different window or tab for easier/better viewing.

    One could surely use any manner of securing the CGB, such as what SwinginIt has done, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact SwinginIt's way may very well be better than mine. It's all a personal choice, and the best part is getting it set up to meet your needs. Mine was rigged in the manner it was to get it as light and fully functional as I could (different lines from different manufacturers and all that). You could very well put shockcord on the beak tie outs for easy entry and exit if you wish. The beaks don't come with lines, it's a set it up as you wish/want kinda deal, just like tarp. Again thats the beauty of everyone being able to set it up as they see fit, someone may come up with a better way that works better for them.

    Hope this helps a bit, and again I am sorry for missing your question/post.
    Formerly known as "Cranky Bear"....

    "yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift---thats why its called a present" - Master Oogway

    It's always best if your an early riser!

    I like hiking as it's like exercise!

    My Blog

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •