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    Me Warbonnet dum dum

    I have the ENO doublenest and have been watching all the excitement about the Warbonnet BB. Pardon my lack of intelligence but could someone educate me about the differences. Aside from the attached bug net, shelf and optional double layer what is the difference? Seems like to me like an ENO doublenest with a foot box, whatever that is. I am wondering why people are so crazy about the BBs comfort but the doublenest is not talked about. I must be missing something here. I realize the newness of the BB might have something to do with it but all in all they seem like the same thing to me. After all I can get pretty darn flat in my doublenest. Anyway this is my cry for help.

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    Can you say newest fad? I knew you could.

    Not to take away from the Balckbird, but let's face it.. it is the newest thing since sliced bread and Warbonnetguy is one of our own. The way I figure it... if I was looking for a new hammock I'd probably be all agog over it too. But being happy with my set up... I am interested but not ready to pull the trigger. At least not yet. The ENO is yesterday's news but still a very good servicable hammock.

    Possibly a somewhat cynical answer... but I think valid none the less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadtorque View Post
    Aside from the attached bug net, shelf and optional double layer what is the difference? Seems like to me like an ENO doublenest with a foot box, whatever that is. I am wondering why people are so crazy about the BBs comfort but the doublenest is not talked about.
    I was wondering about why people are so crazy about luxury cars, and bargain budget economy cars are not talked about.

    Apart from the heated leather seats, more powerful engine, and optional voice activated GPS, what is the difference? Seems to me like a BMW is just a honda civic with a nicer steering wheel.


    Seriously, the Blackbird has a pile of features that set it apart from other hammocks, especially the bare-bones simplicity of the ENO. If you don't value those features, then the blackbird is not the hammock for you.




    As far as Rev's comment about the BB being the flavor of the week, I've got to disagree... what Brandon did is find a very clever way to sell an asymmetrical hammock that Tom Hennesey can't shut down, because of the way he avoided Tom's patents. The overall cleverness of the design means the blackbird, unlike most hammocks with nets built in, is crazy roomy when you're laying on the diagonal.

    Compared to a Hennessey Hammock with a zipper mod, there isn't a HUGE difference to the blackbird, but there are just enough neat little features to make the blackbird the better hammock for a huge number of users, which is the reason you're seeing so many people buying Warbonnet hammocks.


    To call it a simple fad is to fail to give Brandon credit for a very inventive design, and he deserves better than that, IMHO.

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    RT not owning any other hammock other than my DIY I can not speak of others as far as comfort goes and I'm sure they are comfortable. My own DIY hammock (speer type) is also comfy but I couldn't get as flat as I can with the BB. The footbox really makes a huge difference between the two. I shopped for the options part of the BB with the footbox, netting, shelf , double layer and suspension sytem .

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    I got mine because of the Quality and Comfort.

    Who all had one didnt factor in to my Decision, I bought the Claytor JH and made a mental check list of the things it needed to be Better.
    Compared that to all the others out there and the BlackBird hit top of the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustardman View Post
    I was wondering about why people are so crazy about luxury cars, and bargain budget economy cars are not talked about.

    Apart from the heated leather seats, more powerful engine, and optional voice activated GPS, what is the difference? Seems to me like a BMW is just a honda civic with a nicer steering wheel.


    Seriously, the Blackbird has a pile of features that set it apart from other hammocks, especially the bare-bones simplicity of the ENO. If you don't value those features, then the blackbird is not the hammock for you.




    As far as Rev's comment about the BB being the flavor of the week, I've got to disagree... what Brandon did is find a very clever way to sell an asymmetrical hammock that Tom Hennesey can't shut down, because of the way he avoided Tom's patents. The overall cleverness of the design means the blackbird, unlike most hammocks with nets built in, is crazy roomy when you're laying on the diagonal.

    Compared to a Hennessey Hammock with a zipper mod, there isn't a HUGE difference to the blackbird, but there are just enough neat little features to make the blackbird the better hammock for a huge number of users, which is the reason you're seeing so many people buying Warbonnet hammocks.


    To call it a simple fad is to fail to give Brandon credit for a very inventive design, and he deserves better than that, IMHO.
    This is where I get lost. Seems like you are saying take the "extra accessories" away from the BB its the same as the ENO. Then later you talk about the cleverness of the design which sets it apart from other hammocks. Are you referring again to the accessories or the actual hammock? My problem is accessories are not going to affect the flatness and comfy factor of the hammock. So then, what makes the BB more comfy than the ENO?

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    foot box and bug screen

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    Let me clarify as I did not adequately express myself. My "fad" comment was meant to refer to the amount and level of conversation only. Not the design nor the innovation. As time passes something else will "heat up the airwaves." It always happens and it always will.

    I give the Blackbird full marks for innovation and design. I did not express that well. At the same time, there is a time frame where the world is abuzz about one thing or another and that passes. That was where my comment was directed. As the Blackbird reaches it's stauration point _in this venue_ then discussion will shift to another topic.

    Brandon if my failure with words did not convey the respect I have for your innovation, skill and design then I apologize profusely. Such was not the intent.

    Mustardman, I appreciate your bringing out the inadequacy of my post as it allowed me to hopefully correctly say what I wanted to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustardman View Post
    As far as Rev's comment about the BB being the flavor of the week, I've got to disagree... what Brandon did is find a very clever way to sell an asymmetrical hammock that Tom Hennesey can't shut down, because of the way he avoided Tom's patents. The overall cleverness of the design means the blackbird, unlike most hammocks with nets built in, is crazy roomy when you're laying on the diagonal....

    ....To call it a simple fad is to fail to give Brandon credit for a very inventive design, and he deserves better than that, IMHO.
    Agreed! It reminds me of a story my art teacher once told me about the Japanese car companies sending artists over to sketch our plants. Well, we send out the nice looking ladies to tour them around the plant hoping they will be distracted, but instead they were dilegently drawing all the machines and designs into their sketchpads! What did they do...they went home and did everything completely differently!

    In the same way, Brandon has a product that accomplishes the same goals as the HH, but in a different way. And, the added benifit of a zipper on the bugnet and shelf are very creative. Not to mention the sexy factor! IMO, the hype is well worth it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir White Wolf View Post
    I got mine because of the Quality and Comfort.

    Who all had one didnt factor in to my Decision, I bought the Claytor JH and made a mental check list of the things it needed to be Better.
    Compared that to all the others out there and the BlackBird hit top of the list.

    Im still Happy with my Decision and would recommended it to all my friends
    I dont discount the quality and comfort. Quality I have gotten from all hammock manufacturers I've dealt with. Comfort is very personal, whats comfy to one is not to another. Yet every review I have read about the BB comments on its comfort. My question is how is it more comfortable (to the majority) than an ENO which from my lack of knowledge looks very very similar once you take the accessories off the BB. I was recently in the market for a new hammock. It was between the JRB BMBH and Warbonnet BB. The JRB won because I like the flatness, how easily pads and UQs can be attached, and that is truly an innovated hammock design that differs from all others. I can SEE that, I cant SEE that in the Warbonnet BB. The intent of this thead is not to discount the BB in anyway. Hopefully it will educate people like me and promote the BB. I just feel like I'm missing some pieces of the Warbonnet BB puzzel

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