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    Brummel lock vs figure 8 knot

    I've been procrastinating for days on making my own Amsteel dog bone - using "internet research" as an excuse.

    But one post that considered the addition of brummel to just a straight bury in the eye splice got me thinking that I could avoid the whole thing and just use a figure 8 knot to make the loop and bury the tail on the figure 8 (7/64 am steel = 2.5 inch bury?) - so the figure 8 takes the place of the brummel.

    The only downside I can think of - aside from a little aesthetics - is the Figure 8 "weakens" the amsteel a bit. But I am not pulling trucks with this, just suspending a hammock, which I'm guessing is well within the max load of the Amsteel.

    So if I don't mind the knot, should I just get on with it - tie the figure 8 and bury the tail. Is that unsafe?

    Or I should man up, watch the youtube/read the .pdf files and learn to make a proper brummel locked dog bone?

    To knot or not?
    Last edited by designer@quickdata.com; 10-26-2013 at 19:46.

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    Why not knot?, imo there is nothing wrong with using knots if you are sure how to make one that will hold, then why not/ bury the end to make it look cleaner, there is more tnan one way to --- a cat if you know what i meen!

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    A knot should do fine, but a locked brummel is really easy. Plus amsteel stretches enough to do this method on both sides...
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    On the plus side you can make shorter dog bones with figure 8 knots, but I'm a splicing junkie so I'd go that route. Splicing is so easy it's time well spent to learn.
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    Reflection on the demographics of this forum advises that I note "man up" is just a colloquialism for "get on with it".

    In my long life, many times I've seen the best man for the job is a woman. In fact, most of the important elements of my life were taught to me by women. Some of those I can list on this forum include the solution to the four colored cubes problem and the basic structure of all computer programming.

    Now that I know I can fall back on the figure 8 if I get jammed up. Or use a straight bury with a stitch lock, I can cut a length of Amsteel and just go to town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by designer@quickdata.com View Post
    ...and just use a figure 8 knot to make the loop and bury the tail on the figure 8 (7/64 am steel = 2.5 inch bury?) - so the figure 8 takes the place of the brummel....
    I imagine you can get by with the figure 8 and bury because you will be splitting the weakened "a bit" (actually will derate the amsteel to ~35% of listed minimum breaking strength) areas between two legs. I would use a normal 4-6" bury.

    But, as others have stated, just learn to make an eye splice with a locked brummel and be done with it. Once you've got the hang of it you'll wonder why you ever considered using knots.

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    You can learn and make the locked brummel quicker than proper lock stitching. In case you need it though, here's Samson's recommended Lock Stitch Procedure.

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    The manufacture of Amsteel specifically recommends to splice not knot Amsteel. The extremely slick nature of Amsteel and lead it to slip undone from a knot and the derating of the line can run as high as 50% depending on the knot and how it is tied. Splicing is not that difficult to pick up. Invest the time, it's worth it in the long run.
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    Okay, I am now a brummel lock eye loop making son-of-a-gun. I haven't yet moved to the McDonald Brummel for putting a lock on it with access to only one end of the line - so I have to pull the full loop through the amsteel for the second lock on the other end. Sort of like a boa constrictor eating a baby elephant getting that double line through - but it works.

    Though it will hold a lot, I am going to toss my first dog bone away because I snagged too many extra fibers. #'s 2 and 3 are usable.

    Here a hint for timid beginners like me - use the Grey Amsteel. Most the videos show marking the Amsteel at various lengths. You can see those black felt pen marks on the grey (or Yellow, probably orange). I started with Black Amsteel and couldn't find anything to leave a visible mark. Not so much of a problem as I had a ruler right there and it was easy enough to hold a measured location. But with a lighter color I think you will see more what you are doing.

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    If you get some free time try the McDonald Brummell method. I never even heard of splicing before finding this site. I had to watch a YouTube about it maybe 50 times while doing it for the first time. But once I got it the first time it really clicked. Now this is my preferred method to make the locked brummell.

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