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    Quote Originally Posted by amac View Post
    Caboyer,
    Do you happen to have any pics? Wondering how you're using the toggles?
    I'll post the whole setup after I get some less cluttered pictures but here's how I use the toggles, based on ideas gleaned from the innovators here. Got some thoughts on how to improve the safety but, for now, I just double check toggle alignment before I climb in. Never had one slip out, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take-a-knee View Post
    That's why I never converted my Hennessy.
    Same here. I'm always reading about these heavy, fancy suspension systems slipping, etc. Just makes me happy I don't have one. Not sure what the carabiners do for anyone. A simple loop in the end of the strap would do the same job at no weight. I just do a lashing on each end and my modified HH is good to go.

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    what does my suspension system weigh?

    8oz or 210 grams.

    Webbing, both straps. No hardware, I use the Speer 4 wrap + 2 half hitches as suggested by Risk.

    TH
    my hammock gear weights total: 2430g (~86oz)
    Winter: total 2521 (~89oz)
    (see my profile for detailed weights)

    gram counter, not gram weenie!

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    I have the standard Blackbird webbing type suspension. The webbing straps along with the single triangle ring on each strap weigh 6.3oz. Add to that two Camp Nano 23 biners (.8oz each) and the total weight is 7.9oz.

    There is also the short length of amsteel and double triangle rings on each side of the hammock itself, which I have not removed and weighed separately. According to Brandon, the triangle rings weigh around 8g each, so the 4 total would weigh just over 1 ounce. So I would guess that the total weight for this suspension would come in at around 9 oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caboyer View Post
    Well, I finally found a suspension scheme I'm happy with --
    total weight 152g <-> 5.4 oz
    - tree straps (3 ea, in 2', 3' & 5'+ lengths) from cheap HF webbing: 67g
    - Amsteel 7/64 suspension lines (9', 11' lengths): 32g
    - 2 descender rings: 25 g
    - 4 aluminum toggles (1/4" x 2-1/2"): 28g

    Adding 9' of Amsteel 7/64 for a ridge line brings the total to about 167g <-> 5.9 oz
    Update: got rid of the descender rings and shortened the toggles to 1-1/2".

    Result is about 116 g (4.1 oz) / 131 g ( 4.6 oz) without / with the ridge line.

    Why the hardware? Modular system is good; quick disconnect is good. ...for me. HYOH.

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    I just converted to a UCR using 2 14' lengths 7/64 Amsteel, 2 5' lengths of 1" webbing, and 2 tent stakes (for marlin hitch). My suspension system now weighs ~ 6 oz. Thanks go out to ZA206 for starting the whole UCR/Whoopie sling craze (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=9021), SlowBro, TeeDee, and Frawg for some great posts on the new systems.
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    gargoyle marlin spike 012.JPG

    gargoyle marlin spike 016.JPGI posted this one whoopie thread ,but it could apply here, too.
    I used a biner to replace toggle, and then use biner to hang stuff from.
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    Great idea, which triggered another thought -- instead tying a rolling hitch as a drag on the end of a UCR constrictor, I could tie a carabiner and hang gear from it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frawg View Post
    Great idea, which triggered another thought -- instead tying a rolling hitch as a drag on the end of a UCR constrictor, I could tie a carabiner and hang gear from it!
    that's brilliant. put an eye splice on that end and just clip whatever there.

    I made me a UCR last night from Vectran, will be trying it out this weekend.
    If it works I'll redo it with the eye splice on the tail end of the UCR.

    Dang!

    Grizz

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    Gargoyle, I really like the idea of using a 'biner in the marlinspike. I think I would rather keep the attaching rope wrapped around the marlinspike, and not just hitched to the carabiner.

    So if we use a carabiner instead of a piece of wood, or steel, do we think we could get away with a non load rated carabiner? What are your thoughts Grizz? I don't see how a non rated carabiner could be any weaker than a tent stake, so it would make sense to me, but I wanted to run it by the group.

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