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    Ultralight Modifications

    Hey guys, I know the BB is already light, but i was wondering what kinda mods people are doing to make it lighter. What are some common mods for this hammock to lower the weight, if any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikemouser View Post
    Hey guys, I know the BB is already light, but i was wondering what kinda mods people are doing to make it lighter. What are some common mods for this hammock to lower the weight, if any?
    Besides buying the lightest model that suits you, then changing out the suspension is about the only common mod.

    The Whoopie Sling is being talked about recently, and is probably the lightest weight fully adjustable suspension. There are several variations of it. Also, have a look at Grizz's suspension primer videos (1, 2, 3).
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    Yea i saw the whoppie, interesting. Checking out the vids. thanks

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    the line/strap suspension is pretty light, you could just order that with a little extra line and you'd have most of what you needed for the whoopie sling susp, just would have to do the spliceing and make a toggle

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    the whoopie sling idea is cool, and I'm going to toy around with it myself and see how it works out in practice, but I don't see that it's going to be lighter than the BB line+webbing option, using the buntline hitch to tie it off.

    Thumbnail analysis : imagine you use a tree hugger the same length as the one that comes with the BB, remove the ring, and create a Marlinspike hitch toggle using a (free-to-weight-budget) trail stick. That ring weighs 0.2 oz, at least the one I have does. Now 3mm Vectran (which is lighter still than the Amsteel on the BB) weighs in at 0.2 oz / yd, which means that if you lose the ring, as soon as you've added another yard of line for the whoopie sling you're at the break-even point and any more line adds weight. Maybe you can hit break-even with the UCR, but I'm not seeing it with the whoopie sling, it just needs more than a yard of extra cord at each end.

    Conclusion : the BB stock line+webbing suspension is no heavier than a whoopie sling modification.

    Now if you really wanted to drive the weight as low as you could on the BB, I think you'd take the suspension apart and put in some much lighter cord for the ridgeline---Amsteel is overkill, you could use LashIt instead, and then replace the Amsteel line from hammock to tree with Vectran.
    You might even be able to do without a ridgeline altogether, but I'm not sure...

    Now this won't buy you a lot of reduction, I don't have the numbers at hand but I can't imagine you'd gain more than 1 oz. But as a thought exercise...

    Grizz

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    Concur .... it is already a lightweight system ..... hammock, integrated net and all. I use cord right now and saved maybe 5-6 ounces.
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    I mentioned that my Blackbird weights 31 oz over on the Ultralight site and they attacked me. If you want to go ultralight, you need a cuben fiber poncho tarp, GG Thinlite torso pad, and a headnet for the buggies. Sub 10 oz for entire shelter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldspring View Post
    I mentioned that my Blackbird weights 31 oz over on the Ultralight site and they attacked me. If you want to go ultralight, you need a cuben fiber poncho tarp, GG Thinlite torso pad, and a headnet for the buggies. Sub 10 oz for entire shelter.
    It sounds like they need a dose of HYOH mentality.
    I think that when the lies are all told and forgot the truth will be there yet. It dont move about from place to place and it dont change from time to time. You cant corrupt it any more than you can salt salt. - Cormac McCarthy

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    Tarp+pad+headnet does not = comfort in any way! I'll take my BB, thank you very much!

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    i have switched out the rl's for 7/64" amsteel now. if the whoopie sling reduces the 50% break that a knot has, you could possibly use 7/64" for the whoopie lines too. probably not much lighter than the line/strap, but not much heavier which is pretty impressive considering the extra weight of the other adjustable suspension options

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